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27 Mar 2015 21:37:38
Very un-impressed with Baines tonight for England again, poor corner taking, wasted free kicks, poor ball control, lack of understanding with players around him & all against a very mediocre Lithunian team. I think Leighton is now past his past & it's definitely time for the Luke Garbutt show to hit the road.

{Ed025's Note - i thought he done ok myself zacki, but i do agree about his corners..he used to whip them in but now they are ballooned...woeful..

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27 Mar 2015 12:25:01
feel really sorry for gibson, he always gets injured when coming back to form

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27 Mar 2015 14:38:00
Gibson, when fit, makes us look, a much better side, however, it also says all you need to know about Barry, but, even if he was fit, the fraud would have dropped him in favour of barry.

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27 Mar 2015 15:24:45
Gibson's rarely out of form but sadly he's rarely fit either. That's why we got him for peanuts from United.

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27 Mar 2015 16:03:28
Barry has a Rugby mind set,

he does his utmost to avoid the forward pass :(

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27 Mar 2015 21:13:50
Agree I like gibson just never fit will never play a run of 10 games through a season. Shame.

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26 Mar 2015 19:31:21
Are there any posters out there who are regular watchers of our U-21 and/or U-18 teams? If so, do any of the goalkeepers look that they have it in them to develop into Premier League quality and become first-team regulars?
Also, does anyone have any genuine first-hand info from the club coaches & other insiders about which of the U-21 and U-18 players (outfield as well as goalkeepers) are regarded as genuine prospects. Historically, most youngsters don't break through at Everton - just 1 or 2 actually make it every few years at the very most. Hopefully that'll change for the better soon and we'll have more young talent coming through to the first team squad. At least many of our former youngsters make a living at other(usually lower tier) clubs.

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27 Mar 2015 16:54:16
when was last scouse goalie to play in blues or reds ist team on reg basic

{Ed025's Note - i dont know tp...but i will guess at ray clemence..

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27 Mar 2015 17:00:44
Ed025: Surely Clemence was born in Skegness and signed from Scunthorpe United by the darkside?

{Ed025's Note - as i said sid it was a pure guess, i thought he had a scouse accent so that swayed me mate...not the first time iv been wrong mate..

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27 Mar 2015 17:16:47
Possibly Andy Rankin for Everton. Ray Clemence is not a scouser - he signed from Scunthorpe!

{Ed025's Note - that just proves how much i know pip.. :)

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27 Mar 2015 18:23:55
I'd guess at Albert Dunlop.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes re-tyred wedge.. :)

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27 Mar 2015 19:35:38
Very true Ed, but he don't slip in the wet!

{Ed025's Note - love it wedge..

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26 Mar 2015 18:32:40
So WBA are playing their next home game in the 1968 Cup Final kit (complete with red socks) as a tribute to Jeff Astle.
Perhaps against Southampton we should play in amber .
We could call it Jimmy Husband Day.
Now hopefully Jimmy is still alive and kicking however on that sunny afternoon in 68, I could have killed him!
Will leave it to older posters to explain that to the kids!

{Ed025's Note - jimmy is alive and kicking in milton keynes mushy...legend..

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26 Mar 2015 20:10:28
Mushy: I remember the gut-wrenching disappointment of losing that final - and then losing the semi-final the following season. As for Jimmy Husband's miss, that was bad, but the whole team didn't perform well enough that day. I suspect that we were over-confident having tonked them 6-2 in the league at their place earlier in the season. At least we went on to play some great stuff the following season and then won the league a further year on from that.

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26 Mar 2015 21:17:28
Different days then. Was allowed to go myself as a 15 year old. Remember travelling via Crosville Bus from Edge Lane. Buses used to leave from early hours and must have been at Wembley about 7am!
Thought the game would be a formality after we had recently battered them but it never turned out that way. Consoled myself that at least I was there in '66. Winning the cup then is a far better memory than England winning the World Cup the same year.
Btw Mushy remember reading your recent post about customer service where you work and was wondering if our paths may have crossed at some point?

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27 Mar 2015 19:11:02
Hi Ted fro Old Roan originally but left in the 70s into teaching.
Now sem retired working part time in Waitrose.

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26 Mar 2015 16:50:20
Good to see Green out on loan to get first team football but it's alarming that very few of our graduates making it to first team, to be honest when we signed green at 15 I thought he would be around first team by 19, there maybe other reasons for this than just his ability from what I hear he top drawer but physical side has not progressed along with a couple of bad injuries that set him back, but has all the talent so let's hope he can get that on loan at tranmere and hopefully we see him at Goodson soon after. Although I have been annoyed with our season I think as a club we have learnt a lot or should of done but I have a feeling we will be hungry to put this season behind us when we kick off new season providing we stay up. Need a clear out in summer I think to many players picking up 40 50 60 k not even playing


Players who may want out

Mirralas- 15-20m
Lukaku- 35m min regardless weather he is worth that
Coleman 20m

Players in

Depending on what sort of budget

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26 Mar 2015 20:19:50
vaules are way out on both sides

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26 Mar 2015 20:23:57
1.D.inges will most likely go to liverpool
2.caulker is poo.
3.Keep Hibbo as back up until Browning is ready.
4.Don't sell coleman full stop, best RB in the leauge
5. Mcgeady + peanuts must go = combined 2-5m
6.Distin + Alcaraz both gone on a free
7. both loans go back
8. Kone as not getting younger
9. Changed my mind, keep Barry for helping and guiding the youngster along and cover for last 20mins in games for eith Besic or Mcgod
10.sell either Baines 17m+ or Obaby 6m+, don't need 3 good LB's
11. sell Mirralas not been with us now for last year heads turned, 10m
BIG ONE. Get garbutt a new contract NOW
so say? sell Baines, Mirralas, Peanuts, Mcgeady, Kone. that could give us 30m+ before our budget is touched 30m-35m?

so could be around 60m

so with that we need
2 CB's = 15m - 20m
3 Wingers = Awye Free and 15m-20m for 2 more
2 younger Hungry Strikers for around 10m
and a AK mid 10m?(but maybe think we can't afford a class one to compete with Barkley)

a massive overhaul but would give us a good younger squad to use for a few years

but what do us Fans know

{Ed025's Note - sounds like you have it sorted yorkie...if you replace bobby next season i will back you all the way mate..the same as i have martinez.. :)

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26 Mar 2015 20:34:21
the issue with green is he is a free spirit (the words used when I asked about his progress last year), he is very talented and should have been in or around the team now, but takes it as it comes kind of guy, I personally dnt know just what I was told which sort of makes sense as I have seen what he could do at 15-16 and he was v.v.good, made it look easy. a loan move will hopefully make him see what he has and he relises he has a opportunity to live a dream

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26 Mar 2015 21:05:51
Inggs is on a free and Delphi has just signed the new contract, at least know a small bit before posting

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26 Mar 2015 22:53:30
I agree we need new faces, I think Mirallas, Distin and Pienaar will leave but doubt we will have anywhere near £60m to spend. I'd like to see a new CB come in, Umtiti from Lyon would be a great shout but wether we could attract him after this season remains to be seen. Ayew on a free would be a great signing, i'd bring back Lennon for the right price and do all I could to get Garbutt signed long term even if that means letting Oviedo go. Up top, being realistic Charlie Austin could be worth a try as I think QPR will be relegated and he should be available at a reasonable price. As for a goalkeeper it does need to be addressed as for who to bring in I'm not to sure. I think Barkley will come good again next year and will a few additions we have a decent young spine in Stones, Besic, McCarthy, Barkley and Lukaku. I am gutted about this season, there seems like little left to get excited about, I thought Martinez should of gone a little while back but that's not going to happen, I just hope if he stays he spends whatever money we have wisely and works on a plan B!

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27 Mar 2015 01:19:41
He needs to get his head out the clouds because he will prob sign some mcgeady, Alcaraz type players talk about how he's got the wage bill down and continue were he left off from this year, I'd say barkley needs a bereak aswell, his performances have dropped down to confidence and his legs going aswell but he has played a lot for last couple seasons and after injurys been dropped striaght back in which can't help. Bill needs to open his mouth aswell it's ok reaping the headlines but the guy has been hibernating since October

{Ed025's Note - i suspect bill is waiting until the end of the season mike, it looks likely that we will be safe now but i agree with you that his silence has been deafening. ross for me has been very disappointing this season, i think he needs to re-evaluate his game as he loses the ball too often, i just hope he is not believing all the hype about himself because he has been one of the main under-achievers who have turned this season into a debacle mate..

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27 Mar 2015 12:14:37

Peanuts-not unless we get someone better.
Hibbert-our only other right back as brownings a centre back.
Mcgeady-completely agree

Players who may want out

Mirralas- 15-20m-wont get that much, about 12m
Lukaku- 35m min regardless weather he is worth that-wouldnt sell him at all unless he wants to go.
Coleman 20m-wouldnt get that much and wouldn't sell unless we get someone better.

Players in

Delph-10m-dont rate him personally, headless chicken.
D.Inges-15m-hes free? don't want him anyway, he's too injury prone and i'd rather we went for austin
Caulker-10m-hes garbage.
Schmiechal-just because of his dad people assume he's good?, concedes stupid stupid stupid goals, like howard and is currently injured, unfortunately not like howard

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27 Mar 2015 12:17:05
oh and can we cut the crap with barkley please? not only is he awful but has an anti footballing mind, doesn't see passes and doesn't understand do tactics or have any sort of footballing intelligence, i'd sell him to ANYONE (including liverpool) for anything

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27 Mar 2015 15:59:31
Swan: re:Barkley

On this seasons performance, I would have to agree with every word you typed mate .

However there is this sneaky feeling I have, that if Ross had the correct coaching and mentoring he might just might become a star footballer .

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27 Mar 2015 19:11:10
Anti footballing minds a bit strong, half the players don't know whether there coming or going this season I think anyone would be anti football coming into our team this year not to mention hearing every boo when u mess up because RM has sedated the crowd

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26 Mar 2015 14:28:10
Junior out on loan to Port Vale and George Green to Tranmere. Let's see if Green can kick on and produce the same form that made us sign him. Junior for me is like Lundstram. Looks like they both don't have futures at the club. Lundstram has been dropping down the divisions at a alarming rate, because he couldn't get a game in a poor championship side and then in a league 1 side.

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26 Mar 2015 13:51:41
A real example of RM's lack of plan B must be the fact we have only two strikers meaning he had one to replace if the other one got injured, so his intention was never to deviate from the 4-2-3-1 formation as we didn't have enough strikers for a 4-4-2 on a permanent basis, what is worrying is that Lukaku has an injury that will hopefully clear up at the end of the international break in a weeks time, if it doesn't then we have Kone!
Another worry is that I can foresee us staying up and BK giving RM another term in office as this one was a blip as a result of fixture pile up, travelling across Europe, small squad, phenomenal opposition and the crisis in the middle east!

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26 Mar 2015 16:16:14
If kenwright persists with this conman, all that is left to us, is to vote with our feet. Won't be ease, everton is a big part of my life, but better than watching this d. head, suck the life out of it in persuit of his "principals".

{Ed025's Note - a lot seem to feel the same JCW..

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27 Mar 2015 07:12:41
And a lot don't!!

{Ed025's Note - im sure your right robbie, but reading various web sites and talking to supporters they seem to be in the minority mate..

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27 Mar 2015 09:53:01
Robbie, Ed :

There is a lot of faith out there for RM,

however even the guys who don't like the sacking option etc. well from what I can see, those fans still demand a change of style and more adaptability from him.

Coupled with what I would describe in my honest opinion the majority of Everton fans who want RM sacked including myself, this will eventually make his position untenable with BK.

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27 Mar 2015 10:33:04
Bottom line is that we again were totally unprepared in terms of tactical ability also squad quality and depth to compete on any level this season!

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25 Mar 2015 19:23:48
At the end of the 2015 Summer transfer window, we'll have to register our squad of aged-over-21 players for the Premier League for the 2015-16 season. Under the current rules, that squad can be a maximum of 25 players of which at least 8 must be homegrown - which therefore means that no more than 17 can be non-homegrown. Players classed as aged-under-21 for next season (that's players born on or after 1st January 1994) don't have to be included in this squad of 25.
Our current aged-over-21 squad comprises 23 players of which 9 are homegrown and 14 are non-homegrown.
The current squad's 9 homegrown players are Hibbert, Jagielka, Baines, McCarthy, Barry, Gibson, Osman, and McAleny (out on loan) plus on-loan Lennon.
The current squad's 14 non-homegrown players are Howard, Robles, Coleman, Oviedo, Alcaraz, Distin, Besic, Junior, McGeady, Mirallas, Pienaar, Naismith, and Kone plus on-loan Atsu.
Three players currently aged-under-21 - Lukaku, Barkley, and Garbutt - will have to be included in the squad in order to be eligible for next season, as they were born before 1/1/1994. (These three will all be classed as homegrown.) Other players, like Stones and Browning, will still be classed as aged-under-21.
So, the multi-million dollar question is: who moves in and out of the club this Summer so that we have a squad that meets the 25 (8/17 split) rule for aged-over-21 players? Also, which aged-under-21 players will be challenging for first team places just like (hopefully!) Stones and Browning will be next season? By the way, nett transfer fee expenditure and any increase in wages will have to stay within the financial fair play rules, which makes any changes to the squad even more complicated.
So, sensible suggestions please.

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25 Mar 2015 21:03:44
Distin is on around 50k, we have not used him this season so therefore expendable. Pienaar is on around 70k we have not used him so he is expendable. Much to Degsys delight (I have also always been a fan) Osman has another year in him. That frees up over 100k of wages (per week)
When it comes to FP we are regardless of our league position for the next 12 months in a position to spend around 30-40million including wages so about 2 players of 10 mill on around 50k a week.
Let's face it Kev will go for about 15 million which is more funds and wages. The wages will probably be replaced by Lennon but transfer will be about half of Mirallas.
So it should be a summer of about 4-5 exits, I'm saying Hibbert (not on bad wages) Distin, Mirallas and Pienaar. I would say Alcaraz may go too. Lennon in (that's one home grown) and potentially one or two cheap lower league home grown talents. We should still have 20 mill for a decent centre back and striker. Minus Europe that should do for next summer. Maybe a loan as well. Then the next summer the major re build will be required where we aim to improve from 12th and get back towards top 7. The reality is people can say Moyes left Martinez an a dream scenario but like Fergie he actually left an ageing squad. I don't like Martinez because he didn't address it in his first summer. Why he did that? I think he gambled that he had enough to try for top 4 and get the extra 20 mill that would have allowed him to make changes this summer. He failed so he was unable to really do anything.
Gareth Barry is brown shoes' biggest mistake. Such high wages such a long contract and so short term in thinking. I am convinced the guy has a play when fit clause in his contract which is and has been suicidal. I would cut our losses pay his contract off and get rid, don't be surprised if that happens, big Sam would take him.
Then we have Tim Howard. He is the only player at the club to surpass his wages with merchandise sales, therefore he will stay (football is a business this guy is free) but no World Cup would suggest he won't replicate his merchandise sales but still as a marketing tool we have no better. (Bring back Cahill, the biggest footballer in Asia)
Bottom line, if dealt with sensibly our situation is not so drastic. I personally think Kev is our best player and it's sad he will go but clearly that is the case. However we lose/get rid of two more squad players on high wages who either by injury or no fault of their own have contributed nothing this season it frees us up for fresh blood. I just don't really want Bobby brown Shoes responsible for who we replace them with

{Ed025's Note - i cant see us getting big money for kev svenny mate..

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25 Mar 2015 21:25:41
15 mill is not big money anymore and he is the only champions league ready player we have

{Ed025's Note - he is a luxury player svenny, is lazy and does not produce the goods very often...if it was your team would you want to buy him?..

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25 Mar 2015 22:05:08
Yes, he is the only player in our current squad that can do something others can't. These players are rare these days. Just because of what Phillips did for QPR the other week at Palace (scored one 40 yarder nearly got another) I would have him. There is much of muchness in the premier league these special players differentiate who cares if we carry them? We have 22 squad players who carry everyone else. Only Kev can score a goal like he did at Spurs.
Ross has the potential to be the same eg goal against city last season but I think Kev does it more often. Think his impact away at West Ham when we lost on pens. Who else do we have that is a bit special?

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25 Mar 2015 22:17:48
He's what I call a match of the day player. Anyone who watches him for 90 minutes will not be impressed if we get ten million for him I'll be a happy man

{Ed025's Note - im with you kingy..

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26 Mar 2015 15:07:58
Outs oviedo becuasehe will not want to be third choice mirallas because its looking that way alcaraz and distain willbe out maybe kone will be let go for a better replacement. Ithink pienaar and mcgeady should go but will not. So squad remaining would be robles howard baines garbutt jagielka stones coleman hibbert mccarthy gibson besic barry osman mcgeady pienaar naismith barkley lukaku mcaleny. that's 19 players 12 home grown 7 foreign players. So we are well within quota and can sign 6 new players and promote ledson galoway browning without that effecting the 25 there are other players like walsh long dowell and the young keepers like stanek who can also provide cover. I would think realistic targets would be lennon ayew delefeu out wide alderviweld at centre back.

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26 Mar 2015 16:03:57
Seanmcc1985: Stones will still be classed as aged-under-21, so that's another place free in the squad.

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26 Mar 2015 21:10:54
You right sid. We have loads of space for new players home grown or overseas. The problem i'm having is on paper our defence is not that bad apart from cover at cb. Is martinez going to bring in a cb who replaces stones or jagielka, probably not. I don't think we will improve the fullbacks either.so first game of next season we will be playing the same back four with the same manager same tactics and more than likely the same problem. Not that i'm a massive fan, but if tony pulis had that back four he would be able to coach it to keep clean sheets. For me this is why I believe he has to go. I also think the majority of our transfer budget has to be spent in the wide positions, we need to add goals to our midfield and support lukaku. I still think barkley can go on to be a cracking player and our team should be built around him and lukaku.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with most of that sean, but maybe lukaku will not be here after the summer, and anyone who would put their faith in ross to build a side around is very naive mate..

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27 Mar 2015 09:51:17
I see where you are coming from ed, my worry is we sell Rom and Ross and they go on to have great careers elsewhere. They are both still young and every ex pro you hear is positive Ross is the real deal. Maybe because he is a blue I am wanting him to do well also. If Rom leaves the rebuild for next year looks even bigger, yes there will be money but our only centre forward will be Kone. If Rom goes who do we replace him with with realistically, Danny Ings, Charlie Austin or take a chance on a foreign player. I would be worried having to bring in so many new players. The consequences of this awful season are yet to be seen I feel.

{Ed025's Note - i think you could be right sean..

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25 Mar 2015 16:35:57
I've been thinking of whether if Lennon is worth buying. In my opinion I'd say no. The only way I think we should buy him is if we got rid of McGeady.

A big contributor to our poor season is that we didn't improve the playing staff from the season before and lost the element of surprise. We need something new and outside of what we have this season.

Not only that but we also need genuine quality. The areas I would be looking at are:

Centre back - We need an organiser and general to martial the back four. We don't get it from the goalkeeper and neither does Jags. Jags lacks composure in the big games and we need someone who has a bit of arrogance about him and a bit of nastiness. They are all too nice at the back.

Controlling midfielder - Osman - when he plays he controls the play between defensive midfielder and attack. Xavi does it for Barca in a more withdrawn role. Ossie can't do it anymore against the mid to big clubs and he can't do it over a full season. It's so important in that ability to dictate a game. Barkley done this job against QPR and was great. I don't think Bob wants him there though.

Winger/wide men: Pienaar is not good enough anymore, McGeady is not good enough period, Atsu back to Chelsea and Lennon back to spurs. If Mirallas goes that's FIVE players to replace. Two will have to come from loan signings and maybe the cheaper option of Lennon but we need two outstanding wide players to come in that will be able to supply the ammo for Lukaku but also chip in with 10+ goals EACH.

Forward - I don't think this is that important to be honest. Lukaku is going to play pretty much every game so maybe just have Kone for that further experienced cover. We also have Naismith that can play there but as for signing someone to be understudy, I don't think you will get many willing to do that.

I hope our scouting system are not planning on going on holiday this summer!

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25 Mar 2015 19:17:13
Get rid of mcgeedy then! And mirallas while your at it

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me kingy..

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25 Mar 2015 19:47:03
Id sell howard and get a new keeper with joel, release alcaraz and distin, promote browning and buy another centre back, sell baines and give garbutt a new contract. Midfield is fine but i'd sell barkley to whoever wants him, get rid of mcgeady and mirallas, atsu goes back, buy lennon and another winger, buy another striker or promote mcaleny properly.

{Ed025's Note - so your happy with the current squad then mate.. :)

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25 Mar 2015 22:22:05
Agree with some and disagree with others but good point about browning he should be given a chance

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25 Mar 2015 10:12:30
Reports that Tottenham want 6 million for Lennon. When you see what some players go for these days this is a steel and a must buy!

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25 Mar 2015 17:50:15
That's what people said about Barry?

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25 Mar 2015 19:16:14
Good point but Iv got friends that are spurs fans and all they tell me is how hard the lad works all game every game and want him back in there side. Tbh is have him over one trick or a decent goal every 5 games mirallas anyday

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25 Mar 2015 08:53:34
Whats all this about atsu not given a chance? When he has played he's been absolutely dreadful, if you can't have 1 decent game in what, 12? 13? Appearances then what does that tell you. So he won af player of the tournement, who was his competition? A half assed wilfried bony and an AWOL yaya toure. We tried him centrally and he decided nah and hugged lennon on the left wing. he's been awful and doesn't have the mentality to make an impact, del boy tried things, ran past people, saved us against arsenal and wasnt bothered by expectations. Atsu hasn't beat anyone and doesn't shoot, no wonder chelsea want to get rid.

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25 Mar 2015 12:45:05
Agree Swan, was not impressed in the world cup. He was awful. didn't want him in the summer he hasn't changed my mind now.

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25 Mar 2015 14:52:01
I wasnt overly impressed by Gerry either.

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25 Mar 2015 15:11:39
Least deulofeu showed some bloody passion when we scored or was willing to make us go forward. Atsu just looks like a lost puppy all the time, not to mention doofy loofy actually has potential and could put in some great crosses across the 6 yard area and can take set pieces if needed.

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25 Mar 2015 22:08:04
Only an opinion swan.i just felt he was easily bullied out of games and wasn't ready for the physical nature of the premier league.it was like when arteta was with rangers.bags of talent but wasn't up to the physical game.left rangers and improved, then came to us and did well.not saying Gerry couldn't do the same but last year he wasn't tough enough.

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24 Mar 2015 22:32:59
I don't see any king of improvement next season with Martinez.

99% of fans don't trust him. Baines doesn't trust him which was clear when he was commentating. Mirallas doesn't and is off in the summer. Lukaku doesn't trust him and wants a move after just one season. Distin fell out with him. Howard publicly questioned his tactics.

You can't win games against top teams by just practicing ball work. Arsenal have scored more goals than any other team this season from set plays. that's a great manager. He's adapted their football. And to think martinez doesn't even work on them.

As for giving him money. Alcaraz and mcGeady are not up to this league. Robles is young and has shown big improvements. Lukaku is a good young talent but I fear his attitude and his belief we are a stepping stone will see him leave sooner rather than later. McCarthy is a class act and if he adds goals will be one of the best in EPL. However, he won't be staying if man u or chelsea come in for him. Besic could turn out to be a good signing but he needs to release the ball quicker and be more direct.

Loan signings are always going to be hit and miss especially when you sign them. Barry good last year but he does cost us goals when he keeps the ball too long. When gives it early he's good. Atsu is too lightweight and sometimes plain stupid. Lennon is a good loan signing but he frustrates me. doesn't score enough and his final ball is terrible. Over hit or inaccurate. Ged def was good and excited the crowd. Only young but direct with goals in him over time. We'll never get him back.

Do I trust him with money then? Yes. When it comes to paying big money He's bought well. The free transfers are the ones that haven't worked.

Do I trust him with the players? No. Tactics, comments and lack of adaptability mean he will never get the most out of them. Eventually frustration will develop like this year and cause unrest and disharmony.

Another season of disappointment.

{Ed025's Note - good post that john..

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25 Mar 2015 01:09:07
Liked this post except for one point and I'm sure I'll get stick for pointing this out but I wish people would stop saying things like "99% of fans don't trust him" or words to that effect don't presume to speak for other people you don't even know 1% of all everton fans so how can you know what 99% think I myself wanted to believe Martinez had a plan but over the season its starting to look like he really is out of his depth although I don't have a problem with him being positive I'd much rather have that than someone who is dour and negative but I do agree he does says things that go against the evidence of the performances.
I do think he should be given more time, this season has been poor but we are not in danger of being relegated purely based on our fixtures and the fixtures of teams below and around us.
It will be interesting to see what effect the lack of european football has on our league form.
who does everyone think we should try and get if BK surprises us and does sack RM at the end of the season?

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25 Mar 2015 07:43:41
Its a flipant figure I used but I'm not say like or want. Even most people who want him there or like him still won't fully trust him. I like him as a person but I don't trust him to turn things around and put us back to chasing the top 4.

{Ed025's Note - you and me both john..

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25 Mar 2015 13:30:34
''this season has been poor but we are not in danger of being relegated purely based on our fixtures and the fixtures of teams below and around us. ''

Staying in the Premier League then will be because of 'Lady Luck' smiling on our fortunes?

Rather than a good squad (which I believe we have) and a good manager (which I believe we don't have) guiding us to safety with skill, effort and savvy tactics?

Lady Luck is a busy lass and we have no right to expect her to provide us with crappy teams that have Championship football written all over them, to join us in relegation zones in the future!

On the contrary most teams that go down are only marginally worse than those who just about stay up imo.

Roberto Martinez is not equipped to do battle with gritty tooth and nail football teams like these .

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25 Mar 2015 13:47:10
The results have been bad, the performances have been woeful, but, where he really generated hostility, was describing those who "dared" to voice their disapproval, as not proper evertonions.Have been going to everton since 1963, some good times, some bad, but I know crap when I see it, you can try to put a posative spin on one bad performance, but try to do that with 30 plus games, and people see you for what you are A FRAUD.

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24 Mar 2015 16:28:06
For me we need a massive clear out in the summer.
This is only my thoughts.

Drop howard to be number 2 goile
Distan. Free to leave
Alcatras. 500k to a cham club
Barry. Who ever wants him for free.
Mirallas 15m. Been told spurs want him
Pinner. 1mil some where abroad.
Kone. 3m. A promoted team or champ team.
Mcgreedy 2m same as above.
Baines 18-20m. Make garbutt first choice with new 5 year contract.

Thats the outs


Lennon 6-7m buy out clause
Astu. 8m buy out clause
Alderwedian (spelling)? Could push for first team.
That french monaco striker can't remeber name
A 20m Attack mid signing ( marquee siging)
And there's a good few Frees out there this year so I would take 2-3 of those in the areas where we would be short.

And use next season as a gelling season and hope for a good run with the right players.

My team would be.

Colman. Jags. Stones. Garbutt.
Lennon. McC. Besic. Astu
Barkley/marquee signing
The beast.


Stones. Jags. Alder
Coleman. Garbutt
McC besic
Barkley. Marquee Att mid.

Think if we had a squad like these we should challange for some thing.

Whats you throughtz ed25 and the rest of you

{Ed025's Note - its a lot of changes yorkie, and i think we do need a major overhaul but maybe not as many as that mate..

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24 Mar 2015 17:40:37
I wouldn't want Atsu to be honest, I don't think he has shown enough to warrant a permanent contract. Maybe a cheeky bid for Deulofeu instead.

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24 Mar 2015 19:41:33
And I don't think Deulofeu did enough either to warrant us to waste money by buying him.

{Ed025's Note - that depends on the price jimmy..

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24 Mar 2015 20:37:50
To be honest Ed025s any fee plus his wage demands wouldn't warrant us to buy him imo, he jut didn't do enough for me.Apart from the Arsenal cameo and goal at the emirates, every time I watched him he was a disapointment dare I say a lazy primadonna. Who hasn't pulled up any trees since returning to Barca and being sent out on loan to Sevilla I think

{Ed025's Note - i agree to a certain extent jimmy, what he does have is potential mate and a lot of skill, if someone could harness it they could have a great player on their hands mate..

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24 Mar 2015 21:11:25
He is far from the finished article that is for sure Jimmy, in terms of potential I think he has more to offer than Atsu.

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24 Mar 2015 21:40:26
Atsu has been used sparingly as a winger by Martinez. He was player of the tournament in the African Cup when played in his proper position in the centre, another square peg in a round hole so he's not had a chance here.

{Ed025's Note - i think he can play on the wing rick, but as you say he was never really given a chance..

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25 Mar 2015 08:58:08
Victor Moses was voted African nations player if the tournament, so doesn't really mean much that one!

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25 Mar 2015 11:13:36
Agree with players out other than baines. We have missed the boat with getting a big fee for him so I would keep him and he still has a lot to offer us. wouldn't bring atsu in feel there is better out there. would like to get delefeu back, if lennon puts in more good performances keep him, however let's not get carried away by a couple of games. Ayew looks like he is on our radar aswel think he is out of contract. I think robles should play to the end of the season, 8 games to give him a chance to prove he is good enough, then decide if we need a keeper. I would also give a few of the young lads a go like browning ledson galoway, even if only for last 20 minutes or so, because feel we are safe now and we need to build for next season. Will also give the senior players a kick up the a##e to show that they need to up their performances. We still have good young players they just need a new manager to guide them.

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25 Mar 2015 15:23:16
Well said robbie and sean, i'd personally sell baines to anyone for any price in a heartbeat. he's not done anything since moyes' second to last season, he refuses to go forward, something bryan and luke do even without help. he's probably the worst one on one defender at the club, his set pieces are some of the worst in the league and dare I say it, he doesn't look the slightest bit arsed to me. Bet he wishes he did leave, I wish he did, he's slower, weaker, worse on the ball and shows less passion than either oviedo or garbutt, but again, the main point for me is in my opinion, he doesn't actually care.

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24 Mar 2015 08:34:38
Spurs have told Everton that Lennon would cost £6 million. If that is true, I would get him in a second. He brings a much better balance to the team than Mirallas, and actually tries, which is something I can't remember thinking about our Belgian winger for an awfully long time.

We would probably get a lot more than £6 million for Mirallas too, so it would be good business all round.

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24 Mar 2015 09:08:15
Cant see Levy letting him go for that mate, no chance, he will have a dozen clubs after him as he looks like he is playing for a decent move

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24 Mar 2015 10:17:23
No murf, he will have all the usual clubs after him and he rejected them all for us, levy doesn't decide where he has to go, it is also an option to buy for 6m anyway so levy has no say now anyway

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24 Mar 2015 10:57:01
If it is an option to buy @ 6 million then it looks like a bargain Swan

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24 Mar 2015 13:49:12

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24 Mar 2015 15:39:48
Most loan deals have a future option price pre agreed at the time, £6m in todays market for Lennon is good value.

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24 Mar 2015 16:04:00
After seeing the papers saying 6mil good price.
When he signed I got told it was with a option to buy for 7m. And same with astu for 8m.

And mirallas I have been told will go to spurs for 15m and that will cover the cost of lennon and astu. And.leave us with our budget for a extra att mid and 2 CBs who will be pushing for a first team spot

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24 Mar 2015 16:59:48
Mmm didn't we all think Barry was a must buy after his performances last season.
Never entirely convinced when it comes to loan players, though I have to agree he is better than the current crop we have.

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25 Mar 2015 02:32:03
Your dreaming Yorkshire blue if you think we're getting 15m for kev, for one he's not worth that and two levy is no fool especially when players are in the last year of there contracts. We will be lucky if we get 6m for him in my opinion.

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24 Mar 2015 00:39:41
Morning everyone! Not been on in a while, but a real change has happened since the last time I was here.

We got knocked out of Europa, and everyone was like "OMG Martinez OUT", but then we won against Relegated QPR (No disrespect to QPR fans, but be reasonable), and everyone was like "OMG Turning point to the season".

My question is did I miss something??????

RM had 1 thing going for him. The fact that we were still in the Europa, but now we're knocked out, why is he still here?? Its a disgrace.

I don't know whether people in the know have knowledge of him being replaced, but I for one would like to see that, AND a bunch of players gone too.

Its clear now that Mirallas is very much another teams player. Why? Because there is no way in heck that we are going to be able to reach the CL, or Europe with our current position. So there is already one OUT.

Garbutt will also be gone, with Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal all looking at him I think? So there's another OUT.

Rom will stay another year ( I HOPE SO) He's been a life saver for us, and to think people actually make him a scapegoat. Imagine playing a style of football that doesn't suit you, but still being able to score goals. he's BRILLIANT.

Now onto the Deadwood:

Howard - Loads of mistakes. hopefully he can chip to the MLS for a decent fee. say 1 mill if we're lucky.

Distin and Alcaraz - Oh my goodness. the torridness of the two. Distin is shocking, and Alcaraz is a lazy sod. Hardly runs after things and is scared to tackle.

Barry - Just no

Pienaar - FINALLY. Someone I actually like. Love the lad to bits, but reckon he's not at Prem level any more. Would love to see him prove me wrong tho.

And Am done. reckon I've got everyone.

In the summer, we need:

1 CB

Promote Browning to Understudy Coleman at RB

1 Creative mid, like Sigurdson and Fabregas esque. Someone who will "Hollywood Ball" the ball forward to our attack, and not be affraid to lob a lad.

and finally 2, yes 2 wingers. Lennon has grown on me since his arrival, but I think Spurs will price him out. and the other winger could be anyone better than McGeady. Please. Please?

Hope your all doing fine tho. I think we should be good for the rest of the season. waiting for the season of 15-16.

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24 Mar 2015 10:19:27
Brownings a centre back and i'd promote him to there and buy another to have them 2 with stones and jags. Spurs can't price us out, its all down to lennon and us at the end of the season, I want baines to go, we need a new goalkeeper, can we release howard please, 2 more wingers and a striker

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24 Mar 2015 11:07:05
how about Heaton from Burnley for a new goalie?

posted before about Austin from Stoke?

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24 Mar 2015 21:19:07
Out: Howard to mls (3m), Hibbert, Alcaraz, Distin, Barry free, Pienaar (2m), Mirallas (10m), Kone (3m) = 18m. IN: keeper (3m as backup), januzai (10m), aweye (free), midfielder (10m), and persic (15m), plus 2 others on free transfer to beef up squad. Oh and Billic as new manager

{Ed025's Note - 3m for tim ray?....turkish lira maybe..

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24 Mar 2015 21:52:33
The yanks might pay big money for one of their own stars (here's hoping)!

{Ed025's Note - well they paid dood money for london bridge raymondo...lets hope they do the same for our old relic mate..

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23 Mar 2015 21:13:27
Finding it very funny that for the last 9 months, martinez fans have been very quiet.
Suddenly oh we're not going to get relegated now if so we can come on here andi vent our fury on the 5 evertonians who don't like martinez
What's it going to be then boys, climb back into to your bunker tomorrow till next october when we are back in the poo and BK has no choice but to sack the fraud!

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23 Mar 2015 21:39:32
I was a big Martinez fan - "was" being the operative word - but this season, since around Christmas, I've been extremely critical of him. Like a pendulum, I've swung from one extreme to another and have now come to rest dead-centre. There's no evidence that BK has any intention whatsoever of firing RM, so, for me, it's now just about results until the end of the season, at which point I'll re-assess. As it stands, my current opinion of RM is that he certainly talked a good game (clearly smooth-talking BK at the job interview, suckering the media early on, and hoodwinking many a gullible fan last season), but his relentless positivity is now repetitive, annoying and insulting to all and sundry - especially as the results and performances and been so poor this season. I'm convinced that BK will give RM time - just as he did with Moyes - but that RM needs to deliver on the transfer-front and on bringing through our youngsters and on getting the squad/team to perform effectively and win on the field. Once RM has shipped out all the players he doesn't want and brought in the ones he does want (those who buy into his philosophy), then he'll probably get a season or two before BK makes a decision. But what the heck do I know - I'm just another blinkered and opinionated and ill-informed ordinary supporter.
Ho, hum.

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23 Mar 2015 22:14:48
Well I've been quiet Mushy because I couldn't be bothered arguing or debating the issue with fans who many of which had made their minds up as early as mid-November and have been screamin' 'Blue murder' (pardon the pun) ever since. And using Wigan as some sort of evidence to prove their theory that RM is a rubbish manager. Despite the fact that he kept them in the Prem for 5yrs and managed to win the FA Cup with them. Some fans keep saying 'Oh look he got Wigan relegated' and it's just pure nonsense. Wigan were a small club that were punching way above their weight. If they were such a huge Prem level club, why after a cpl of seasons in the Championship are they going down again? I suppose that's RM's fault too!! Like I said I couldn't be bothered arguing about it but I for one am still behind RM. It's been a poor poor season but I don't think last season was a fluke. Lots of players have under-performed this year and they should take some of the blame as well. But I'm prepared to give RM another season and still believe he can turn things round. I believe BK thinks that way too or he would have acted already. If things don't change next yr then we start again. But I believe that they will. So until then I will just stay quiet (which is not hiding in a bunker) It's called not being bothered arguing with people who have already made their minds up and shout any attempt to defend RM down!!

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24 Mar 2015 09:07:29
Mushy I have not been quiet I have always said how disappointed I have been this season but mistakes have been made and lack of confidence and bad luck. But I have always backed our manager!

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24 Mar 2015 10:14:13
Backing a failing manager no questions asked, is the stuff that keeps people like RM in their jobs no doubt about that imo.

The 2 sides of this coin is as follows

Unswerving loyalty, blind faith and so on are admirable qualities in the right context such as doting on a proven leader who will stand and fight in the trenches with his troops etc.

Flip side is standing shoulder to shoulder with a complete a##hole who doesn't have a clue how he's going to sort this mess out but says he does regardless of the consequences that will surely ensue if he refuses to change course .

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24 Mar 2015 18:33:06
Ive said it before and I will say it again DM's second season was shocking and yet we did progress under his management so for me the jury is still out on RM. It has taken him a long time and it may well have been led by the senior players but he has changed our style of play which is now more effective at getting results. My main gripe with RM are his press conferences he needs to understand that we are not stupid and can actually see if the players are performing so he should change his tune accordingly.

{Ed025's Note - he cant help himself sa90, he is more rigid than a man in ann summers mate.. :)

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24 Mar 2015 19:47:16
Hey Ed, what are they like errrrm, these 'ann summers' places?

{Ed025's Note - like a sweet shop for adults 247..i get all sorts from there mate.. :)

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24 Mar 2015 19:51:11
RM fan here, was happy with appointment and was very happy with last season, we played some fantastic football.yes agree this season has been awful and not acceptable, however I can't see our board sacking him and I believe he deserves one more season. I am getting fed up of his analysis of games though and wish he would come out and say performances are not acceptable etc.

{Ed025's Note - thats one of things that really irks the supporters ste, he makes it sound like he is happy with the performance when we can all see that we have been hopeless for most of the season, then he says things like "we dont practice corners", he does himself no favours at all mate..

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24 Mar 2015 20:12:21
Totally agree ed025 you would think big joe would have a word with him wouldn't you? Along the lines of " listen gaffer stop chatting rubbish at press conferences, start practicing set pieces and can't we appoint weir as defensive coach

{Ed025's Note - you really would ste, i cant stop liking the guy but he does like to shoot himself in the foot mate..

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24 Mar 2015 20:16:56
''Like a sweet shop for adults 247. I get all sorts from there mate. :)

Bloody ell Ed, I really do need to talk to the missus about me getting out by me self for a change,

There's a world out there I obviously need to discover, so Bertie Basset is at it too then kinky little bugger ;)

{Ed025's Note - theres a big world outside 247, and the voyage of discovery is a wild ride, hop onboard mate and hold on tight.. :)

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27 Mar 2015 11:35:01
Sad comment same fella b fairly quite next season if we do well I bet

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23 Mar 2015 18:42:06
Let's draw a line on our season now and look to next season (with Roberto). And who would be definatly in the squad and who to go?

Mirrallas(if he wants to go)
Baines (if we get a good offer, not that I want him to go but makes business sense when we have good replacement in Garbutt and Oviedo)
Total- £27m?
A promising RB to deputise for Coleman
X2 CB maybe hijack Southampton bid for Alderweireld

I am not saying all of them in but at least 2 wingers. And it depends on who goes.

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23 Mar 2015 19:02:19
I'd have fabien schaar from Basel.contract out at end of season

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23 Mar 2015 19:50:15
We wouldn't get anywhere near £27m for those players, only Mirallas has any value and I wouldn't sell Baines because Garbutt may decide to leave on a free. However we would pocket about £250k per week in wages if Howard, Distin, Alcaraz, Pienaar and Mirallas leave.

Does anybody know if there are any good frees available in the summer?

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23 Mar 2015 20:36:07
Apart from Ings wouldn't want any of the others, think we can do better. But agree we do need to offload the old boys, time to move on.

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23 Mar 2015 21:14:42
I like Hoilett but would I doubt I would look to sign him. He's not the player he was.

{Ed025's Note - im with you dave...and would avoid leroy fer as well..

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23 Mar 2015 21:17:18
I agree with most of the outs with the exception of Baines, I'd be concerned about having to rely on Garbutt for a full season and Oviedo's fitness is concern since the broken leg.

As for in's I suspect we are going to be very disappointed this year, I honestly do not see BK trusting El Bob with a wad for transfers, so I would expect Howard to stay and the likes of Cleverley, Ayew and other out of contract signings, perhaps a permanent deal for Lennon. But I am not holding out much hope.

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23 Mar 2015 21:43:35
Just remember that we must name a Premier League squad of no more than 25 players aged 21 and over - and at least 8 must be homegrown.
Once you've shipped out all the players you don't like - and brought in other players- then you'd better be sure we comply with the rules.

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24 Mar 2015 08:03:45
Think you are wrong on the valuations Tom, I think we could comfortably get the following myself mate:

Howard - 1 million
Alcaraz - 1 million
Distin - zero
Piennar - 1 million
Mirrallas - 14 million
Baines - 10 million

I think Robbie is pretty spot on with the valuations, and I know Alcatrash is garbage but someone will pay for him.

{Ed025's Note - £14 for kev may be a bit high imo murf..

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24 Mar 2015 08:52:51
Wouldnt sign any of them bar doofy loofy

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24 Mar 2015 11:21:39
Isn't Alcaraz out of contract in the summer? I think we could get £10m for Kev comfortably, any more would be a bonus. I also think that £10m for Baines is a bit of a risk for a 30 year old who may be past his best (judging by this season's form). Even if we did total the £27m, what will that buy us? 1 quality signing? 2 good signings? We need about 5 or 6 players, so we will still be into the loan and free transfer market.

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24 Mar 2015 08:32:50
ye think so Ed, I know he has not been at his best because his head has been turned and injuries but when he is on his game he is amazing.

Spuds value Lennon at around 10 million but seem to want Mirallas instead so for me if he is going to Spuds as we all suspect then it should be for around the 14 million mark.

I know who I would want, here is a clue, he looks like a miserable sod lol

{Ed025's Note - why do you want to sign..the real mike..murf?.. :)

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23 Mar 2015 09:32:51
I can not believe the rubbish some fans write Roberto out are you boys having a laugh I used to enjoy coming on this page but lately its really embarrassing are you old enough to remember us under Mike Walker and Walter Smith do you remember Moyes's second season when we finished 17th without being in Europe as a Evertonion one season does not make Roberto a poor Manager yes we have had a poor season but we had an exceptional one last season some would say over achieved next season will be the defining season for Roberto it will be a interesting summer who comes in who goes but by shouting Roberto out just embarrasses this great club and makes our fans a laughing stock we stick with our team, club and manager through thick and thin have faith and if we are in the same position this time next season then start questioning Roberto as manager not after 2 seasons

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23 Mar 2015 11:32:56
could not disagree more, the mans a bloodey joke, a bad one at that, he is a walking liability, if allowed more time, he will take us the way of Wigan.

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23 Mar 2015 13:02:39
Completely disagree with the OP. Roberto has been poor this season and needs to go. Here's why:

1. Tactics- Roberto's tactics have been one dimensional, and teams have figured out that if they press high up the pitch, our defence makes mistakes. Roberto has refused to rectify this, and has even said he will not compromise the passing game, which as stats have shown, is often leaving us camped in our own half, with 60% possession but like 5 shots on goal. His team selection also leaves a lot to be desired. He picks his favourite 11 instead of his best team, leaving us with 3 defensive midfielders and 1 winger in some weeks, or 3 no.10s another. He often plays players out of position when they are clearly uncomfortable and not competent in that area (e.g. Barkley, Naismith on the wing). He also has no system for picking players, and plays his favourites no matter what, such as Barry when he has been awful all season, plays every game, or dropping Joel for Howard, or playing Alcaraz instead of Stones on Thursday. His substitutions are also poor, bringing off Besic every game despite often being our best player, or not substituting Alcaraz on Thursday when he was having an awful game and was at fault for several goals.

2. Transfers/Appointments- His transfers have been okay, but he's got a couple of poor ones, Alcaraz, Kone and McGeady. His staff appointments and departures are also a moot point. He has got rid of fitness coaches/physios and replaced with his own, which could be a factor in our injuries, as we have had a lot more injuries than we used to in his reign, particularly hamstrings.

3. Training- Players have said that he doesn't do much fitness training, preferring ball work. Anybody can see that this is a likely contribution to players apparent lack of fitness in matches and the excessive injuries. Also, Martinez doesn't practice corners, as he believes it isn't a proper way to score. This has a twofold effect, firstly, we are really poor at defending corners, which has lead us to concede a lot of goals, and secondly we are missing out on a very effective method of goalscoring, especially when you have Big Rom in the box.

4. Honesty- He lies through his teeth in press conferences, putting a positive spin on everything e.g. "we showed great character" when we have been beaten by a team at the bottom end of the table. I don't want him to rip into the team in public, but he needs to admit when we have played poorly and underachieved, instead of constantly making excuses.

5. Results- See table.

Overall, given the way his first season went, I could probably forgive all of the above if it was his first big job or if he was new to management, but the fact remains that this is the same side as last season, the best team we have had in about 30 years and a team that should be higher up the table. The problem is that he has refused to change, and there is no evidence that he is prepared to change, as most of the problems we have experienced this season were problems his last club had. He has no plan B, and refuses to have one. This unwillingness to adapt is the reason he needs to go. I don't think we should be prepared to risk our future as a top flight club, just to give this charlatan a chance to win a meaningless bit of silverware like a league cup.

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23 Mar 2015 13:56:01
Excellent post Tommy, all I would add to that is the OP talks about embarrassment, how embarrassing is it for this great club, when the manager has the nerve to appear on television and tell the world how "phenomenal" we have played and how unlucky we where when the reality is we played abysmal at best?

I would agree with the OP on one point though, and that is one season does not make El Bob a bad manager, but this is his sixth season as a Manager in the PL, his finishing positions being in order 16th, 16th, 15th, 18th, 5th and whatever we manage to achieve this season. Thus I would suggest five poor seasons out of six attempts make him not good enough to be in charge of Everton.

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23 Mar 2015 14:12:07
Also, at least under the likes of Walter Smith, we had a poor side and no money to improve it, so our position in the league was realistic. Like I said above, the team we have this year is easily a top 8 side, so there's no real excuse for where we are now.

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23 Mar 2015 17:07:49
Sorry OP, but you have to look at the squad,

under RM they are anything from 9 points to maybe 12 points shy of their real potential (currently)this season!

Last season was obviously his zenith, imo because of 2 main factors

#1 He inherited a solid defence in terms of know how and players being familiar with each other.

#2 Opponents were by and large stunned by this new invigorated Everton who suddenly could not only pass teams off the pitch, they could also find ways of scoring goals and winning football matches.

This changed this season when managers multi laterally decided to ask RM ' OK what else do you have in your locker?

The answer has been an emphatic ' nothing, nout, bloody
zilch '

and word has really got around now that 'hey this guy ain't got a plan b '

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23 Mar 2015 18:10:20
I agree with johnny we need to back Roberto and judge next season. It's been a terrible season but hopefully lessons have been learned from it. Roberto is a young manager who has made mistakes and always acts dignified I am certain he will tell the players behind closed doors what he thinks. I still believe the players are playing for him. I think next season will be phenomenal (lol) no Thursday games which will make us strong in the league. We should give the likes of ledson, browning etc some games before end of season and hopefully they can add to squad next year with stones, McCarthy, Barkley and Lukaku. All players to have a break in the summer and start the season with some optimism.

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23 Mar 2015 19:32:29
Sorry Robbie, but that argument does not stand up. El Bob has been a professional club manager since 2007. If he has not grasped the basics by now then he isn't going to do so. If he was inclined to learn from his mistakes, I would suggest Wigan would still be in the PL.

{Ed025's Note - fair point wedge..

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24 Mar 2015 09:05:13
Wedgewood/Ed so if you are a manager for 8 yrs that's it you know everything? It's a ongoing education and all managers make mistakes and learn from them. Ferguson made mistakes with a few signings etc moyes got found out and people try and stop your threat like they tried to block baines and piennar then we put fellaini up top to hold ball up it's all about finding solutions and I have confidence Roberto will. But some are just on the bandwagon and constantly being negative and give no credit at all.

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24 Mar 2015 14:24:37
Robbie, First and foremost I am not on any bandwagon, and as for charges of negativity, well that seems to be leveled at anyone who is concerned about the club and does not buy into the "everything will be okay if we ignore it" School of positive thought. The reality is a problem will not go away unless it is identified and fixed.

Obviously no one on the planet knows everything about any given subject and we all carry on learning through life and careers. My point is how long does it take to learn the basics of your trade no matter what it is? The man has been in management for 8 years, how long does it take to learn how to defend? Considering he was professional player for 14 years before that. So after 22 years in the professional game (not including youth level) Is it not reasonable to expect him to be able to understand the basics of how a team should defend?

His time at Wigan is ignored by some because they say Wigan was not an established PL team and credit him with being some kind of genius in keeping them up. Wigan were in the PL for 8 years in the first 2 under Paul Jewel they conceded 52 and 59 goals respectively. In the second 2 years under Steve Bruce they conceded 51 and 45. in the following 4 seasons under El Bob they conceded 79, 61, 62 and 73. The fact is, he took over a team that finished 11th in the PL, had them shipping 15 to 34 more goals a season and toying with relegation until it finally happened.

Now after 2 years with Everton he has turned one of the best defences in the PL into one of the worst. How much time and ongoing learning process does this man need to figure out if you keep shipping goals you are going to be in big trouble?

To learn from a mistake first you have to admit there is one, something that does not seem to have happened. In fact he seems oblivious to the fact that anything is wrong at all. He has given interviews where he holds his time at Wigan up as a shining example, like it was some kind of success story, when the reality is his time there was a total disaster for them (FA Cup win aside.) Those are not the actions of man young or old learning from his mistakes.

If you want to risk the future of Everton FC on this man having a moment of clarity, admitting his mistakes and putting them right fair comment. I personally and I suspect many others who want him out do not. Not based upon dislike of him personally, not based on any bandwagon, but based upon our showing this season and his past record.

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24 Mar 2015 18:33:43
''Not based upon dislike of him personally''

Wedgewood: this I believe is a key factor in the 'pro RM faction' stance i.e. their posturing and attitude towards the 'anti RM faction'

Imho there is no issue at all with him as a person outside of a football context .

However there is now genuine worry and concern over his professional aptitude .

I personally do not think for one minute he is a natural leader in the competitive high powered world of the Premier League .

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24 Mar 2015 19:40:07
I respect your opinion Wedgwood, I think a lot of the poor defending has been individual mistakes this season. As I say it is up to Roberto to look at at the end of the season and change or find solutions. We are a club that gives managers time and don't want to go down the route of hiring and firing each season. I can only give my thought, opinions and hopes and rightly or wrongly I believe!

{Ed025's Note - roberto is marmite at the moment robbie, i dont like sacking managers willy nilly either mate, but can we afford to have another season like this? i dont think so..

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24 Mar 2015 21:06:03
Robbie, I respect your opinion also, to be honest with you I hope for all our sakes your opinion is right, as I do not see the board sacking the man, so in that context I honestly do hope that I am wrong and he does change things around.

That said, like you all I can do is give my opinion as I see it, and on that I am in agreement with blue 24/7 in regards that my opposition to el bob is purely football based, his ability or lack of it to do what is needed and a genuine fear for the future of the club.

{Ed025's Note - im with you wedge..

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23 Mar 2015 09:31:46
i know I was very critical about him before and after he signed but can I just say well done to aaron lennon. he's joined the club and absolutely worked his socks off, hasn't let the team down and I hope, I pray that he stays in the team, but as soon as aiden rolls mcgeady is fit lennon will be chucked out, ross on the left mcgeady on the right, stuff of nightmares, for us anyway. lennon has been an important player and worker and well done to him for working so hard.

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23 Mar 2015 10:58:19
I agree Swan, he has hit the ground running mate and even though he looks like a miserable sod he seems to be loving it.

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23 Mar 2015 13:37:27
without putting a negative edge to this it mirrors Barry's first season, but I believe lennon has worked hard for the team and a possible contract.

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23 Mar 2015 00:31:00
Am I, pleased we won, yes, 9 points clear with 7 to play, I think we are safe, BUT, do I still want that conman out of our club, you bet.However, Martinez, is the sympton, not the disease.
Our 15 year malaise has only one root cause, Mr "everton" Bill Kenwright. He spent ten years kissing the ass of everton's longest serving manager, who never won anything, never even won a game at chelsea, unt, aresnal, or the reds, in 10 bloody years.He leaves, in a way that treats our club with total disrespect, yet him and bill are, by all reports, best mates again.
He then appoints a manager who has just got his side relegated, and more than that has a track record of almost doing so in the two preseeding seasons.
Then, when he takes us to the brink of relegation, rather than haveing,, the ball to admit he made a gross error of judgment, he puts his ego before our club. If we are ever to return to fotballs top table, Kenwright and his cronies have to go.

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23 Mar 2015 09:29:36
You must only be 15 years old as I can remember what we had before. If you have a short memory that take a look at the history books and see what the 90's were like.

We were a club that almost got relegated on numerous occasions, had players either at the end of their careers with no resale value(at one point we owed more in transfer fees than what the 1st 11 were worth) and the chairman was selling the best players behind the managers back.

Move to the present day and you have a team that has been finishing in the top 6 or 7 on a regular basis (with the exception of this), 2 player alone worth more than what the entire club was worth when he took over (Lukaku&Barkley 60-70mil), massive turnover, it's highest amount of sponsorship ever and brought European football back to Goodison Park.

His only failing as a chairman is a new stadium and that could soon be coming to an end and not being mega rich.

He like the rest of us were duped by Martinez and after last season, we weren't having a go at BK then but singing his praises. For this year direct it at the man who has caused the real problems this season - the manager.

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23 Mar 2015 09:49:03
sorry JCW that's a bit unfair, BK like all chairmen will have to endure the wrath of fans when things go wrong, but the appointment of Moye's was very shrewd if not risky given our position at that time. He stabilised the club over 10 years and turned it from perennial relegation battlers to a steady 4-7th placed club with limited funds. RM was one of the most promising managers when he took him on had been touted by the Reds & Villa, and he really shone last season with fresh new tactics. This year we all know has gone severely tits up and his lack of managerial skill has been revealed to be sadly missing. BK has a difficult decision to jump early sack him with no one to come in, pay a large compensation package and still not be guaranteed safety. He has taken the risk of sticking with him, much to our annoyance, and will have to make the same call in the summer, sack or stay, I'm sure he knows the fans are not happy and will hopefully do the right thing for Everton Football Club. Whatever he does long term it needs change and the playing side needs rebuilding!

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23 Mar 2015 10:07:24
Lets face it JCW, BK is a 'luvvy' a 'luvvies' crony and worst of all

he's all of the above and he runs our football club :(

he needs to grow a pair or get lost,

this club needs 'cojones'


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