27 Jan 2014 15:51:00
Been in a bit of a discussion with a mate where we compiled 2 teams of 11 players, 4-4-2 formation and one team would be the most overrated players and the other would be the most underrated 11, just for a bit of fun, take our minds off the derby for a bit, please give your 2 teams, just a bit of fun:

My overrated 11

Lloris- think he's a decent goalkeeper, fabien barthez said he is the best in the world, wouldn't go that far

Walker- can't defend, does the same thing going forward, kick the ball forward and chase it, woeful crosses and just not that good really

Ferdinand- not the best centre back in his family! Mostly just fouls players, dead slow and is quite bad actually at defending in itself, at fault for so many goals where others get the blame, decent footballer but in terms of defending he isn't good

Clichy- no one really raves on about him but people say he is a good left back, I don't rate him, can't go forward and you know you can't defend when fernando torres and callum mcmanaman make you look silly

Townsend- same as walker really, just cuts in and shoots over the bar, nothing special, quite a below average winger tbh, has no form of skill and people saying he should be our first choice winger in brazil is hilarious, he is not that good

Gerrard- you all knew this one was coming, great player do not get me wrong, world class, still? Hell no, decent long passes, legs have gone, lost the power in his shot, no pace and despite what jamie carragher thinks, he will never control the flow of the game like paul scholes could

Ozil- now let me just say this, I am a huge fan of ozil, loved him at werder bremen and loved him at real madrid, but if you look at his attributes he doesn't have that much going, not that quick, no right foot, knackered after an hour and is lazy, does some amazing passes here and there in the box, worth 42m just for that? No

Nasri- good player but too inconsistent, that's all there is too say, one of the best in the league? No way

Walcott- he can play upfront!, really talentless, has he improved from the age of 16? No way, still over reliant on his pace, take away that you have a player who's final ball is poor and cannot beat a man, 'but oh his finishings improved', has it hell, he falls over and kicks it and it hits the keeper and bounces in

Hernandez- again I just don't get what it is he actually does, always offside, first touch is poor, most of his goals are deflections and when he starts well, is useless too kind of a word?

Underrated team

Foster- really big fan of his, just a really solid goalkeeper, good goalie, that's all I can say really

Azpilicueta- would love to put coleman but it might be biased, big fan of this lad, has it all and can play left back! Good player and wouldn't be suprised if he went on to brazil to represent spain, he would be better than arbeloa!

Jagielka- biased maybe? He just doesn't get the credit he deserves, as a footballer? Woeful, in terms of out and out defending? World class, solid defender and someone I'm proud to have at our club

Vertonghen- really big fan of his aswell, great footballer and a good defender, really enjoy watching him

Ben davies- very talented lad, good all round modern full back, wouldn't mind him at everton, not looked at as one of the best talents at left back because of luke shaw, this kid is just as talented

Oscar- obviously people rate him but when people thought about chelsea before mata left and they would go 'oh yeah mata and hazard are great players' and I'd say 'and oscar' and they'd go 'oh him aswell yeah' he always seemed last mentioned, he is just ass talented as them and has the work rate to go with it, love oscar

Ki sung yeung- really like him, bosses the game for sunderland and controls the tempo with very tidy and accurate passing, very good player

Mccarthy- 'you're so biased!', I don't care, he NEVER gets mentioned, its always barkley, coleman and lukaku getting the pundits with the odd mention of barry, mccarthy is a great player and would get in EVERY team in the prem,

Dejagah- don't think he gets the plaudits he deserves, there is just someothing about him I admire, he isn't a very good player, average typical winger, but I just like the way he goes about his business on the pitch

Hooper- his movement Is good, fast and a just a classic striker

Jovetic- barely played and people are going 'sell him!', make no mistake man city fans, you have a special player on your hands

Please post on the banter page ed as people cannot reply on the teams page, cheers, just a bit of fun, thoughts?

MIke-Ox Long

1.) 27 Jan 2014
27 Jan 2014 16:14:16
other centre back would of been

agger-cant defend, a few mates said he in the top ten centre backs in the world, nowhere near that good

Mike-Ox Long

2.) 27 Jan 2014
Not a bad post, I don't agree with all but Ki from Sunderland is one I most certainly do. Absolutely fantastic player.

3.) 27 Jan 2014
I would mostly agree but nasri this season has been amazing for city and townsend has been one of spurs's best players.

My overrated team would be:
Szczesny
Walker Vidic Terry Cole
Lennon Kagawa Lampard Sterling
Hernandez Welbeck

My Underrated team would be:
Courtois(I know he doesn't play in the pl but he should start for Chelsea and not go out on loan)
Richards Jagielka Vertonghen Oviedo
Lallana Fernandinho Mccarthy Navas
Negredo Wiemann

4.) 27 Jan 2014
Absolutely sot on mate!
could not agree more,
I would say that GERRARD & FERDINAND are the two most over rated players in the world

{Ed025's Note - to be fair paul, gerrard has been a great player mate, much as it pains me to say so, the guy would walk into any premiership team of all time, maybe not now as he is knocking on a bit, but the guy has carried liverpool for the past 10 years...but thats just my view..

5.) 27 Jan 2014
27 Jan 2014 18:45:16
think scholes and lampard have always been better ed, plus more technical players like pires and zola, zola, wow he was better than gerrard, gerrard has been great ed but there are a few who would get in an all time team ahead of him mate

Mike-Ox Long

{Ed025's Note - its all about opinions mate, i honestly think if gerrard was not at liverpool, that they would not have been in the top 10 of the prem..

6.) 27 Jan 2014
Hi all. I haven't posted for a while but I like this post. It gets you thinking. I don't agree with a few of the overrated players infact I think Ozil, Nasri and Gerrard are all top class but that's only my own opinion. Can't be bothered to type out a team but De Gea would most certainly be my GK. I don't rate him at all. Also how about most underrated and overatted Managers? I don't think Sven has done much wrong club and country ( bar attempting to manage Leicester City! ). COYB's for tomorrow! I reckon 1-7, hibbo to score a hatrick :)

7.) 27 Jan 2014
Whether a player is rated as good or bad by fans is almost always down to their subjective opinions, whereas my two criteria will always be these objective statistics:
(1) How many first-team games, in particular at the topmost level, has a footballer played in; and
(2) How many trophies has he won.

The same applies to managers, so, for example, although I never thought much of "Big Ron" Atkinson (way too flash in my opinion), he did manage plenty of top-level games with his clubs and did win a trophy here and there.

8.) 28 Jan 2014
So, using your criteria Baron, Phil and Gary Neville would be on a par or slightly better than Stevie GBH? A Cole better than Baines? If that's your opinion, fair enough but I'm not sure it's logical.