05 Apr 2017 08:43:08
Hi Ed I totally agree wth NBTBs post below, R K was in no way to blame for way the game finished off last night, I think we rode our luck a bit at times but as NBTB said if only Rom had passed the ball to Kev or Ross we would have all been on here crowing from the highest branch, still a point against that lot is still I'd so let's all look forward to 3 points on Sat, cheers GuernseyBlue.

{Ed001's Note - how on earth is he not to blame? He bottled it and invited a poor Man Utd side to attack you. That was always going to lead to the possibility of something like that happening, when you entire defensive line is playing within the penalty area. Koeman is as negative as Moyes at times, it is something that has shown up throughout his career. Sometimes it will work, but when it doesn't it can often cause a lot more damage than just losing a goal on the break or some other way, as you are constantly in danger of a card like you ended up with. That has now cost the team its key defender for one more match, as well as the goal conceded.}

1.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 08:59:31
Hi Ed yep take your point mate, but I will say one thing football is a game of opinions we all come on here and most have different views, cheers anyway mate always good banter, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed001's Note - I was really disappointed in him to be honest. I keep hoping when I watch a match that managers will learn from previous mistakes but very few ever do. I just wonder if the team around him are strong enough to make him reconsider his options. The last thing you want is to end up like Arsenal have in recent years, where there is Wenger and a bunch of yes men. With no one there to challenge his opinion, he never has to really consider other possibilities.}

2.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 09:03:32
He's not to blame because it would of worked only for a moment of madness by Williams. Williams only has himself to blame for being sent off. How can you blame Koeman for Williams getting sent off?

We defended brilliantly for the entire game until that goal. That is down to Koeman. Under the previous manager we would of let a few goals in.

{Ed001's Note - defended brilliantly enough to allow them to create a whole host of chances, you were lucky United can't finish, not brilliant. Williams did what most defenders would do in that instance, it is automatic to just stick an arm out to block it. The issue was that he was so deep, which was Koeman's fault, so yes I can blame him. When you went at them, you were the better side, but once caution overcame Koeman, you were all hands to the pump desperation stakes. I really do not know what you were watching, but you clearly watched it through such deeply thick blue lenses that you never actually saw the game. Oh and lucky the Zlatan goal was given offside, as they are usually not given, though I am not sure whether it was the correct decision or not, the benefit of the doubt is supposed to be given to the attacker.}

3.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 09:09:28
Good point Ed time will tell cheers, GuernseyBlue.

4.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 09:41:03
No doubt Ed001 there was a certain amount of luck. We were lucky to get away with that goal no being allowed. Of course I'm a little biased towards Everton like every supporter is towards there club.

The point I was making really is that the defense has improved a awful lot under Koeman. The team in general has improved loads. I think that needs to be recognised rather than slating every decision he makes.

If he put on an attacker like Valencia and they scored (which you point out they had plenty of chances) it would have been the same outcome. It's all Koemans fault. When he has improved us so much since the downward spiral we were going in.

With Coleman, Bolasie, Besic, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, Mori and Lennon all out imho Koeman is doing OK.

A couple of months ago people were slating him for not using youth. Now people are slating him for using youth.

Imo we are just not good enough to compete at the very top and Koeman has done very well in his first season to get us on the road to challenging. Against the Reds we were bet by a better team. Pure and simple. Missing all them players above at the same time does not help.

Koeman is only human just like Williams and makes mistakes from now and then. Like any manager. I am very happy with how he is shaping this club up. Last nights performance was a big improvement from Saturday. Koeman deserves praise for that. Don't hear many coming on here doing that.

Fair enough Ed001 you have your opinion and obviously your entitled to it.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, that I understand. I just feel it was almost impossible for him not to improve Everton, considering the state you were in when he took over. Defensively I mean.

As for youth, he did the same at Soton, used the youth in his first season, then replaced them all with ready made players and never really used them again. So I would not get excited by him using them now.

Again though, making an improvement over the Derby performance is not exactly setting your sights high mate. I just feel Everton should not be comparing performances to their lows, or any club for that matter, they should be looking to improve on their best performances. Saying it was better than probably your worst game is hardly worthy of praise, to me.}

5.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 10:06:05
Ed1, I value your opinion as a footballer fan but ed25 and our fans have a greater insight into our club and progress etc. Just like you do with whichever club you support.

But even you must see the overall improvement we have made under koeman. Obviously away games at the top 6 are always going to be the toughest so we can't expect to win them after 8 months.
Granted we still have a huge way to go before we challenge top 4 but rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

You also have to agree that all clubs have off days or bad runs. Arsenal having one Now, Liverpool lost to Bournemouth, hull etc. Chelsea lost to palace. That is the beauty of football and exactly why we go to watch every week and why these forums and debates in the pub exist.

{Ed001's Note - really? Fans have almost no insight into football clubs these days, so I would doubt that. That is why we have the morons on social media talking crap and getting big followings.

I have seen progress over last year, yes, but I also saw progress in Martinez's first year, so I would hang fire on judging progress personally. You have a better recruitment policy to follow now, so I would expect the club to progress in that way, regardless of manager, but I have seen enough of Koeman's previous career to be unsure of him. He has always looked to jump ship the moment he has any success, if success has not come he has caused nothing but problems within the club. He is a mercenary always looking for his next payday and the best that can be hoped is that he gets that next payday, as that will mean he has brought some measure of success to the club.}

6.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 10:43:54
Completely agree there are morons on social media who spout tripe.
As with any business, appointing staff is difficult. Rk looks a good appointment but only time will tell.

7.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 14:12:10
Ed001 I meant it better because the team lifted themselves from the defeat. Wouldn't be comparing our performances to it even though Liverpool look like they prob will finish in top 4. That's pretty high standards. No point kidding ourselves thinking we are top 4 yet. If that's managed in the next 3 years that would be brilliant work.

I do think comparing things to Utd is setting a high standard. They finished 5th last season. Spent how much on transfers bringing players in? Brought in Ibrahim who is world class.

We finished 11th and look like finishing 7th. Looks like improvement to me. If you don't lose either of your games to Utd in the premiership that can only be a good thing. Especially with the kind of money they pump into the team. Nothing compared to Everton yet we are not far from them.

Team looks far far fitter this year. We didn't improve in Martinez first season. It appeared that way. Maybe your right about Koeman. He may be a mercenary. So far I'm very happy with his influence. Whether that will Chang I guess time will tell.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, I can understand that.}

8.) 05 Apr 2017
05 Apr 2017 14:59:12
I do agree about Koeman being a mercenary and that is why I did not want him. However he is a good manager and he took over a team that could have got relegated this season as Martinez left such a mess and we're back to where we were under Moyes. that is progress so Koeman can only be judged on that at present.

Unfortunately managers here for the long haul are a very rare breed and we tend to have overseas guys who come for the money and Koeman is no different.
We have many good youngsters here and the only way they might come through is to have a manager who stays at the club and develops them as he develops the club.

Is that Koeman? I doubt it, but let's be positive as his first season is over all, very good.