1.) 01 Sep 2017
01 Sep 2017 22:46:04
Why does it matter how much we spend?

Ignore how much we brought in for a minute in fact ignore all of the figures in or out.

If at the start of the window would you have been happy if we signed the players we have?

2.) 01 Sep 2017
01 Sep 2017 22:52:16
I don't feel badly done by.
We might not have done all the transfer business we would have liked, but I think that the changes (incoming and outgoing at both first-team and U23 level) that we have done have very much improved our squad.

3.) 02 Sep 2017
01 Sep 2017 23:42:20
Agree bravo. How dare Everton only sign roughly 15 players this window. I don't get most fans. complain when we don't sign players and still complain when we do. All this ' we never signed a striker' well there's sandro and Rooney. Just don't have a target man. big whoop.

4.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 07:38:50
Exactly dentie. I put a post on teams page saying how I thought we have a good squad. I think rk may have to look at a false 9 system, with sandro, Rooney, klassen and siggy all flexible and rotating positions. Defences would have a nightmare marking.

Plus Coleman and bolasie have to come back like new signings and we brought in a lot of promising kids that other clubs were trying to get.

I am quietly optimistic that we can break top 6.even top 4 of other clubs struggle bad.

5.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 08:58:34
Iv seen a stat which said our net spend was actually 4th (maybe 5th) I'm the league. People are ignoring that there are a lot of fees involved with signing players. We haven't went out and bought one or two, we have overthrown the squad. Even ignoring the actual transfer fees, that costs money.

{Ed002's Note - It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £40M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.

6.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 11:00:26
Thanks for the addition ed. I know you hate talking money, as do I. People need to ignore it and just focus on the actual players in my opinion.

7.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 13:18:55
Net spend is irrelevant so why keep going on about it! We have made quality signings the like we have not seen for a very long time there has been plenty investment put into the club both on and off the pitch. What make you think that there isn't money to spend. We bought before we sold which in my book is a clear statement of intent.

8.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 14:35:53
Nett spend is a ridiculous way of looking at things.

let me explain the simple art of buying and selling.

1. If an item costs £20 and you only have £15 then you can't buy it.

2. If you then sell an item for £30 then you can buy it.

3. Now here is the difficult part for all the knuckleheads who think that because we now have £45 to spend the £2o item is free leaving us with £25. IT IS NOT, it has still cost you £20.

4. The technical part. Before buying and selling anything the £15 you has was sitting in the bank gaining interest of let's say 15p a month, Any items you had do not earn interest. Now when you sell an item you now have £45 in the bank earning interest of 45p a month. When you buy another item for £20 the overall amount of money in the bank has beeb reduced to £25 earning yo 25p a month in interest.

5. When you buy ANYTHING the amount of funds you have are reduced by that amounts.

6 Simples.

9.) 02 Sep 2017
02 Sep 2017 15:43:40
Grumpytoffee: the other aspect as I understand it is that for calculating "player trading" profits - and that is one element of what affects what we can spend on transfers and wages under the PL/ UEFA/ FIFA financial rules - the cost (from a book-keeping point of view) of an incoming transfer fee is spread (amortised? ) over the length of a contract.
So, again as I understand it, if we brought in a player for £10M on a five year contract, and transferred him after 4 years, his "player trading" book value would be £2M. If we transfer this player for £25M at that time, then we've made a "player trading" profit of £23M and this can go (along with other eligible income) towards calculating our allowed expenditure on incoming transfer fees and on the overall wage bill.
I imagine this is one of the reasons (at least financially) why we're now bringing youngsters into the U23 squad on 4 or 5 year contracts for fees of several million pounds. They'll either develop as Everton first-team players or can be sold at a trading profit.
As I also understand it, a similar approach is taken with the academy: only a few players actually become Everton first-teamers, while others hopefully can be transferred to lower-league clubs for modest fees (although many youngsters, obviously, are released as "frees") . Any transfer fees received would help to make the academy as self-financing as possible.
No doubt the Eds will correct any misunderstandings I have on this.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Clubs can amortize the cost of players transfer fee across the contract but it has to be done for all players, not just one or two. That means that you would have have already spent money that you don't yet have. (2) Your understanding about the trading profit is very seriously flawed as you have forgotten all of the through life costs of the player which have to be part of the amortization. All of this is also moot for most Premier League clubs.}