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13 Mar 2018 15:01:03
Just been thinking about the meeting that went on with SA and Moshiri.

We know that talks have definitely taken place between the two, and that has been confirmed by SA. It is also strongly rumoured that SW also went to London for talks with Moshiri at the same time.

I think they were being informed that Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone were in fact standing down and that was why SA could not say anything other than stating it was confidential, I do not think that SA or SW's futures at Everton were discussed.

1.) 13 Mar 2018 15:58:51
I hope that you are wrong Grumpy. SA and SW should have been told that significant improvement is required both in recruitment and on field performance.

2.) 13 Mar 2018 17:19:42
That did cross my mind BlueMike but then I thought that would of been done at finch farm with Bill present, We can only speculate mate.

3.) 13 Mar 2018 16:57:56
Who knows Grumpy, perhaps with Kenwright and Elstone there Walsh and Alardyce have been somewhat hamstrung in their aims. I still believe that Mr Walsh is a good Scout and that the DoF role is beyond his pay grade but perhaps if Messers Kenwright and Elstone do go one roadblock will have been removed. All of this of course is just conjecture on our part. We shall see what we shall see come season end.

4.) 13 Mar 2018 19:36:58
Hamstrung? Walsh has spent over 200million and Allardyce 27 million.
They've hardly been hamstrung.

5.) 14 Mar 2018 07:07:56
They might have been told about Kenwright and Elstone but their next question would have been 'What about us - how does it affect us? ' and I don't believe Moshiri wouldn't have told them they are gone end of season
No reason to bring them down to just tell them about the other two as could as easily been told by Kenwright or Elstone.

6.) 14 Mar 2018 12:57:00
This meeting was before the game at the weekend right? Maybe he - Sam - was told in no uncertain terms that results had to improve hence the complete u-turn in tactics that won us the game? Who knows. As DFS said it's all conjecture atm.



11 Mar 2018 12:03:56
Yesterdays result should of secured safety for us. Over the last 22 years the average amount of points needed was 36.6 and we now have 37. I say should because in 2003 West Ham were relegated with 42 points.

We band around 40 points as being the magic number required to stay up yet since the 95/ 96 season only 4 teams have needed 40 or more points to stay up. We ourselves avoided relegation on goal difference to Bolton, both of us had 40 points in the 97/ 98 season, with Sunderland going down the previous season again with 40 points.

This season 38 points will guarantee, or should guarantee safety, With our remaining fixtures and the fixtures of those below us I feel we have enough now, but it would be nice to to secure safety and ease the pressure we are all feeling. 1 draw in the next 8 games is what we require to be safe.

1.) 11 Mar 2018 13:33:39
Good post mate enjoyed reading that.

2.) 11 Mar 2018 15:54:35
Thanks GB mate, Just thought it worth posting to show we are almost there (safe).

3.) 11 Mar 2018 16:40:02
Sorry mate one poster doesn't think its a good post, Strange.

4.) 11 Mar 2018 17:11:43
I think people just like to press do not agree on everything, if you put this week we played in blue some would disagree even if we did.

5.) 11 Mar 2018 18:34:26
Love it mate.

6.) 11 Mar 2018 19:26:22
We are safe, said on a previous post we seem to be getting results at Goodison, Sam knew the Brighton game was the one, after witnessing the away support at Burnley, I really believe Sam took notice and wisely left Schnids away from the squad, put in the experienced Baines and Jags, put both Siggerson and Rooney on, even affording Klassen a run out, Sam knew it was a must win game and for once, I really believe he went with a set up that’s the fans have been asking for rather than his previous pig headed selections, it worked, same again at Stoke, don’t make too many changes.

7.) 11 Mar 2018 20:20:30
It doesn't bother me GB, as Simon has said some people just like to disagree no matter what. Not too difficult to work out who they are though.

8.) 11 Mar 2018 21:02:22
I thought so too Bignev however it turns out Schneiderlin was I'll and so was Gana. Big Sam hasn't learnt anything, his changes were forced not a stroke of genius.

9.) 11 Mar 2018 22:34:03
Let’s see what happens in the next few games, just my opinion but neither Schnids or Williams should ever wear the Everton shirt again, both liabilities.



11 Feb 2018 11:33:39
Good to see some positive posts on here, Posts that actually encourage participation instead of the constant moaning and false information that has become the "norm" on here as of late.

Did anyone else notice a big change in Pickford yesterday? He seemed a lot more aggressive in his saves, he was no longer happy just parrying the ball with his saves he was determined to clear the ball away from the danger area, every save he made he was pushing the ball away, good keeping in my book.

Yesterday showed why SA is a manager and we are not. Had some of you been listened to then Martina would no longer be with us nor would Sigi, Theo would not of been signed, Rooney would of been dropped and been retired off. Sometimes in life we all make stupid demands but that does not make us stupid people, what does make us stupid is when we continuously make those stupid demands.

Since SA has taken over we have only conceded 6 goals at home, 2 of those have been penalties, that is a massive improvement over both DU and RK, in fact over the same time span SA has more than doubled the average points per game (home and away) than RK. Now you can hit me with a bat and a rusty nail if that is not an improvement.

A lot of you have all of a sudden over the last week, been saying how much you supported SA when he first joined, Now I know I'm an old grumpy git but my memory is not that bad, The sheer malice has been here from the day he signed, many if not most have never supported him in the slightest. Some of you in fairness have given him a chance but for every positive post they make it tends to get drowned out by so many negative posts that trawling through them becomes tedious.

It has never been a secret that I have supported SA from the very beginning nor is it a secret that I will continue to support him until he gets replaced, He is our manager and will remain so until the powers that be decide otherwise. The fact that I do support does not mean that he was my first choice nor does it mean that I feel he is our long term solution but I do think he is the right choice for stabilising the club and getting it ready for a better manager to take over in the future. That is going to take at the very least another season. It may not pleasant but neither are most medicines.

I had decided in my in-formate wisdom not to post here again for the rest of the season and to only show up in live chat (which really is good, more of you should pop in on match days we always have some great debates) . Smit666 and GB have convinced me to return here and I would like to thank both of them for doing so. Now you all know who to blame for my return.

1.) 11 Feb 2018 12:05:38
Hi Grumpy mate agree with you there 100% your post above sums us up to a tee, we have to get behind whoever is in charge and give em our total support, if Big Sam is moved on in the summer and Mr Moshiri brings in Fonesca or whoever then we will get behind them the same, We are Everton and we are better than a lot of posters on here try to make us, great to have you on here mate good posts as always KEEP IT UP, cheers.

2.) 11 Feb 2018 12:39:58
Thanks GB mate.

My take on it is if we support Everton then MUST include everyone from the owners to the toffee lady, From the stewards to the tea ladies, Form EITC to all of the back room staff. We may not like the tea the tea lady makes, but we will make do until another comes along and in the mean time we will support her, Why? because she is part of Everton.

3.) 11 Feb 2018 12:54:47
Easy post after a good result and decent showing mate. I know what your saying, yes we need to show support to the whole club. But a lot of the things said on here are people letting off steam after abysmal displays which you can't blame them for. Plus people theorise what's gone wrong what could be better, there is no problem with that as that is our perogative as fans and is part of this site. This is a site were people can voice there opinions and negative opinions are opinions. I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others.

4.) 11 Feb 2018 12:56:23
i swear to god i saw these same type of posts after the leeicester win yet after we got mauled at arsenal everyone turned the heat back on
one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season.

5.) 11 Feb 2018 13:00:03
You are right there mate, put money on tho you will get some thumbs down lol.

6.) 11 Feb 2018 13:17:16
BlueTit mate, can you not see the irony in what you said, " I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " yet it seems acceptable to push the negativity onto others. the current trend seems to be to accept negativity and not to be positive.

Evertonthings you are right " one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season " and the key here is that is has been happening all season (your words not mine) , The problems we have were already here before SA joined us. Facts do not lie, at home we are far better under SA than we were under both RK and DU for the same amount of games. So I am sure that even the most ardent SA hater will have to agree that we are 50% there.

7.) 11 Feb 2018 13:52:40
Of course they were here Grumpy mate before Big Sam ever set foot in the doors of Everton, some posters just will not grasp and accept it shame really, but you know the old saying the truth always hurts mate.

8.) 11 Feb 2018 15:33:26
Opinions are opinions, posters are posters, eds are eds and we are all blues. Nothing will change and I love the input on here from everyone whether I think it is right or wrong. These posts make me think in other ways sometimes and I like that.
Welcome back Grumpy.

9.) 11 Feb 2018 15:45:57
Thanks Smit mate you are exactly right. There are no right or wrong opinions but there are many that are different to how we perceive things.

None of my posts are intended to upset others, but I do try and give an alternative view on things and will always try and get people to think outside the box a little.

The biggest change in the club that has happened is the fan base, maybe it is time for us old farts to move aside, because sadly we do not really fit in anymore.

10.) 11 Feb 2018 15:50:41
Too right mate good banter is good for everyone.

11.) 11 Feb 2018 17:59:55
You will always got in grumpy.

12.) 11 Feb 2018 19:20:19
You know I disagree with you Grumpy mate, but I love your post, it would be boring if we all think the same.

13.) 11 Feb 2018 19:25:17
opinions are the best thing mate.

14.) 11 Feb 2018 20:46:38
Cheers Stig mate, missed you in live chat yesterday, hope all is well your end mate.

15.) 11 Feb 2018 22:13:53
Brilliant original post Grumpy. Totally agree with everything you said.

16.) 12 Feb 2018 10:47:12
Thanks NBTB mate.

17.) 12 Feb 2018 12:15:10
Honestley mate, I see no irony whatsoever in what i said.

18.) 12 Feb 2018 15:50:25
Sorry Blue-tit mate you're right I meant hypocrisy, no idea why I said irony sorry.

19.) 13 Feb 2018 07:42:49
Grumpy you keep mentioning about "preparing the club for a better manager. What is it you mean by this exactly? Do you think all clubs should use a prep manager? because when most clubs sack a manager it's because things aren't going well so is everyone else missing a trick in not using a prep manager to get the club ready to appoint a good manager?

20.) 13 Feb 2018 09:42:37
Lets not be pedantic Toffeewavey you Know exactly what I mean.

21.) 13 Feb 2018 15:27:27
Nor do i see any hypocrisy.

22.) 13 Feb 2018 17:11:55
Let me explain.

You seem to find it ok to put negative views regarding SA onto people yet at the same time tell people who are putting positives views onto people they are wrong for doing it.

That Sir is hypocrisy.

" I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " (your words mate not mine)

23.) 13 Feb 2018 17:43:14
Grumpy I think you are fighting a losing battle on this one, but I completely agree with you. Everton fans are a fickle bunch.
We had a manager that loved to play attacking football so much so that he never closed a game out in Martinez, the fans moaned and we got rid.
We then got in a "Future Barcelona" manager and that turned to crap.
Now we have a manager that is practical, and taken us from bottom 3 to 2 points from 7th and that is not good enough.
I just wish fans would make up their minds what they want.

24.) 13 Feb 2018 18:57:20
I think you're right Sidneytheblue I am fighting an un - winnable battle but I have enjoyed the fight.

Got to think of something for next week now mate.

25.) 13 Feb 2018 22:43:14
I didn't push negative views onto anybody. I just made a comment and your being pissy about it because its wasnt fully agreeing with your opinion. that's sir is being a pretentous srcastic little boy (or girl) .

26.) 14 Feb 2018 08:59:23
Here we go.

Blue-tit here is another fact for you. When any kind of debate reaches the stage that one of the parties strays away from the original subject matter and resorts to personal attacks, that person has run out of anything constructive to say.

Debate is now closed for me.

{Ed025's Note - good idea..

27.) 17 Feb 2018 13:17:15
My original post was made in soft manner. You called me hypocrtitical in a pretentious manner. I called that out. You were being 'pissy' I called it out. You can't be abraisive and act like the response is out of turn. Now, its closed for me.

28.) 17 Feb 2018 17:31:20
It's like being back in the school playground on here sometimes. πŸ™ƒπŸ˜‹.



16 Jan 2018 16:19:51
Theo having medical.

1.) 16 Jan 2018 17:55:30
Excellent news mate, on to the next one for Big Sam to bring in,

2.) 16 Jan 2018 18:21:49
Looks like he isn't mate you have a thumbs down, beyond me mate.

3.) 16 Jan 2018 19:48:16
lol got 4 thumbs down that he is having a medical. Must be the closet Liverpool fans mate, be a lot more if it was people who don't like me on here lol.

4.) 16 Jan 2018 19:58:20
Love it mate made me laugh, ooohhh.

5.) 16 Jan 2018 20:37:09
Grumps and Guernsey, your only playing at it mate, I got a nine thumbs down and a minus one in thumbs up, must be a record, still let's not be negative this is almost fame, made me laugh too.

6.) 16 Jan 2018 20:43:56
Wow mate got some catching up to do then cheers.

7.) 16 Jan 2018 21:40:44
Got to admit 9 is not too bad.

I once got a thumbs down when saying R. I. P to someone who had passed away. Myself and Guernsey tend to get them all of the time lol.



08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.

1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.

2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.

3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..

4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.

5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.

7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.




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17 Mar 2018 21:58:18
I love it when we win, I get to watch match of the day on tele.

1.) 18 Mar 2018 06:18:17
I hate to say it but that and dodgy Russian channels is me too these days. Down in Devon and it is only the odd game now with ticket restrictions.

2.) 18 Mar 2018 08:39:49
Hahaha i was having this conversation with someone at the huddersfield match.

3.) 18 Mar 2018 12:56:33
Sarcasm above my head?

4.) 19 Mar 2018 12:46:31
Second on as well!



05 Mar 2018 09:44:45
So it looks like Wenger is being linked with us via the papers, Personally I can't see that happening. Once he retires (looks like end of season) unless he is offered a position at Arsenal he will bow out of football all together, he certainly will not move up to us.

I would welcome him at our club with open arms, just because he is having a "one off" bad season does not make him a bad manager. For the last 22 years he has secured the Gooners a European spot with 20 of those being in the CL. Whilst in the CL he has slightly more than a 50% win rate and yet on these forums people seem to see him as a bad choice for us yet at the same time the same people will rather we opt for Silva who failed at both Huddersfield and Watford.

Oh well such is the game of football, just no pleasing some folk. (In my opinion) .

1.) 05 Mar 2018 10:07:31
last season arsene wenger said that he would carry on in management even if arsenal did not renew so I wouldn't put money on him retiring once he is given the boot, silva managed hull not Huddersfield and hardly failed there, but agree silva seems to risk for me as seen if a club came sniffing he becomes unsettled. but reg wenger needs to be a young coach for next manager that can grip the club and make it his own.

2.) 05 Mar 2018 10:30:16
Looks like we do have links with Arsenal with our new owner?, but we DON'T want Wenger, but can see it happening "one off" bad season, lol you are joking Grumpy?

3.) 05 Mar 2018 12:56:34
I would take Arsene Wenger at Everton as a DoF with a younger manager in place to work with him.
We need a DoF who is a footballing man through and through and Wenger fits the bill.

4.) 05 Mar 2018 14:00:48
Wenger as DOF would work great as he has the insight to be a great help round a club, but its not a role he would take he still see's himself as a manager and a manager only.

5.) 05 Mar 2018 14:39:28
WBlue you're right it's Hull not Huddersfield, I was chatting to one of my grand kids who has just got a job there and will be relocating. Old brain not working right.

Do you think Arsenal may offer him a DoF role or will they want him away altogether?

6.) 05 Mar 2018 14:53:08
Thoroughly agree with Grumpy. Would open my arms to Wenger. He won a hell of a lot more in those 22 years with Arsenal than our whole club did.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Arsenal the only team that turns a profit practically every year? Wenger does more behind the scenes for the football club.

Would be a massive asset in my humble opinion.

7.) 05 Mar 2018 15:03:51
I personally think he'll move on from arsenal, where to who knows I think when they finally do change they'll have to change completely that means arsene not being at the club, they'll be looking for fresh ideas not recycled.

8.) 05 Mar 2018 15:21:05
You may be right WBlue, Just look at Man Utd and we can still see a lot of Fergie influences going on.

I agree NBTB I also think he would be an asset for us, especially if he gets us into Europe for 22 consecutive years,

9.) 05 Mar 2018 19:22:47
Exactly Grumpy.

10.) 05 Mar 2018 19:44:56
Personally I wouldn't have him as director of sweeping up, let alone DOF.
he has never done that job before, remind you of anyone else we know.
Like players aren't guaranteed to be great managers, managers aren't guaranteed to be great DOF's.

Have we learnt nothing from the last 2 years. Let's get a manager in who fits with us, not get a manager and then try and fit in with them.

I can just see the likes of Rooney, siggy, Gana, Bolasie and Tosun trying to pass their way into oppositions penalty areas.

11.) 06 Mar 2018 12:26:46
difference between a scout taking up that role and a man who was won nearly everything that he possibly could and has lived and breathed the proper footballing side of the premier league for over 20 years smit is huge.



26 Feb 2018 10:53:08
What do you guys think we should do if the right manager is not available or does not want to join us in the summer?

1.) 26 Feb 2018 11:10:53
id like to think before we do get rid of big sam wed have a replacement lined up straight away, do not want to be stuck with no manager again like last time, in an ideal world youd think efc reps would be onto agents starting now looking into the possibility of taking the reigns come summer time.

2.) 26 Feb 2018 11:25:47
Lots and lots of this mate πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ˜.

3.) 26 Feb 2018 11:26:24
Call Guus Hiddink.

4.) 26 Feb 2018 11:28:42
Personally i would go all out for Rafa and if not, then Silva on a 3 year deal, but only if we cannot get any higher calibre manager.

Failing that Unsy on a 2 year deal, with the summer to work on the players.

I also don't see the point throwing a load of money at a new manager until we know who out of the current squad he can utilise. Maybe bring in 1 defender and LB and take it from there unless we can ship some out.
What do you think Grumpy?

5.) 26 Feb 2018 11:33:31
Tricky one that mate we have tried 3 all to no avail, I think Mr Moshiri will have someone up his sleeve he will have seen what's happening and will be prepared to do the business.

6.) 26 Feb 2018 12:39:36

7.) 26 Feb 2018 12:50:47
Personally Smit mate I have a funny feeling we will go all out for the wrong person, What I mean by that is the new person will get swayed by what his weekly wage packet will be and the incentives to do well will be trivialised as he will be earning so much anyway. We need someone who will be excited by the job and will relish the challenge that the job will bring.

The new manager will have a very small window in which to identify what is wrong at the club and have the balls to go the board and tell them, he will then need to start putting his plan into action.

If a manager comes in that we know little about, or has an unproven record, then I fear he will be swimming against the tide as we the fans will expect results within the first 2 to 3 months at best. I don't think we will accept being in the bottom part of the league no matter how well we look playing.

On the other hand if we bring in a proven, well respected manager the question will be can he hit the ground running? If he does not then what do we do? I think we should go for the latter as that will go some way to appease the fans, but I do worry that a lot of the "bad" that is happening in the club (on and off the field) will still be there and could possibly hamper him at his job.

If no one can be found who is right for us then we should keep SA, He is not a stupid man, and as such he will be identifying what is wrong and it will be on his shift that the "bad" is got rid of.

Replacing the manager is not going to fix everything that is wrong at Everton, and I won't pretend to know what will, what I do know is that it runs a lot deeper than how it looks on the surface. SA is a convenient scape-goat, as was RK at the end of his tenure, and until that problem is addressed then the club will continue in this cycle. Newcastle Utd springs to mind when the turmoils becomes deep rooted.

Those are my thoughts and opinions Smit mate.

8.) 26 Feb 2018 13:20:43
Problem is the set up of DoF and coach is not working, no matter what coach we bring in he has to go to SW, this has to be where things are going wrong. SA is a manager so this system don’t suit him, you can see it in his interviews he don’t like not having full control.
I couldn’t even tell you who I want as next manager cause my first thought is let’s sort this DoF out, and identify a style of play and bring in coach and players to suit.

9.) 26 Feb 2018 13:33:03
But grumpy Sam is the first example on your list. He's here for the money and is proving that he's not what we want.

10.) 26 Feb 2018 13:54:23
The problem Grumpy, is Allardyce will never be given time because he is disliked by many of the fans and was before he joined. He has done nothing in the interviews since to change anyones mind.
Martinez got a lot longer to turn things around because of the type of person he was.
Koeman never really adhered himself to the everton supporters or players even after finishing 7th.

You would think the likes of Rafa, Howe, Dyche and Fonseca would have the supporters rooting for them, because of their personality.
Now, i am not saying we should employ any of the above but we need a manager who can become part of the club/ team and understands what we stand for and expect from a manager.
Look at Walsh, he gets no respect from supporters, because we never hear/ see him, we hear more from Moshiri, and that is why Walsh will not be given a lot of time either.

We are the peoples club with people running it who don't want to embrace 'the people'

11.) 26 Feb 2018 14:29:53
Both GT and Smit666 make some very valid points. It's confusing to say the least, but it's crucial for the future of the club that whatever happens in the summer is the right thing.

12.) 26 Feb 2018 14:47:10
BJU this is not an anti Sam or a pro Sam debate.

13.) 26 Feb 2018 14:54:18
I think you are right Smit, personally I would not mind Raffa or Fonseca but would steer clear of the other two.

In my opinion I don't think we are the peoples club anymore, we are primarily a business as are every other club in the premiership. The appointment of SA was a business one designed to keep us up in the prem, If we were the peoples club we would of stuck with DU.
(This is not a pro Sam or anti Sam comment just my views)

14.) 26 Feb 2018 15:01:27
BeStyme you may be right, The DoF for Everton is still relatively new to all of us and everyone at Everton. To be honest I don't really know what his role actually is, I always thought I knew but as you say we don't really get to hear much from ours. It would be interesting in how DoF's from different teams keep the public informed of things, if indeed they do.

15.) 26 Feb 2018 15:19:01
As a club and a business we need major surgery in order to progress.
Somebody has to be made accountable for the losses the club will make on players that only 12 months earlier were brought in as the future and to enable us to challenge.
SW is DoF and is the man responsible for the recruitment, which has not been good enough for the last 2 managers, one of which was sacked and the current will probably follow suit.
The manager needs replacing as he is neither liked nor competent enough to take the club forward.
My personal preference for the managers job is and always was Rafa Benitez, he has experience managing top players, egos and top clubs.
If we really are ambitious the next manager really needs to mirror that ambition and have full control over transfers, no more DoF.

16.) 26 Feb 2018 17:40:14
You make some really good points BlueGray, I don't think there is any getting away from a DoF as more teams in England seem to be appointing them. Perhaps the way forward would be to appoint a foreign DoF who has plenty of experience in that roll and knows what it's all about.

{Ed025's Note - instead of the numpty we got..

17.) 26 Feb 2018 19:00:46
I wasn't debating that Grumpy. I was just putting Sam in your examples. Therefore, we have to find a new man to take the helm.

It's a big world and we are an attractive proposition for an ambitious manager. We would have got our manager in Silva if we were allowed to. So managers will come to us and there is more availability in the summer. Midseason is not the time to go looking.

Bluegray that is absolutely spot on. I think also a DOF is good to have as long as that is what you are getting.

We didn't hire a DOF we hired a scout and put him in that position. We gave a guy Β£250m that had never done the job before. You give an experienced person in that field money like that. It's some gamble by the board to do that and personally don't think it's paid off.

18.) 26 Feb 2018 19:34:56

Back to the original question.
What should we do in your opinion if we can not get the right manager this summer?

{Ed025's Note - buy a can of petrol and a book of matches?.. :)

19.) 26 Feb 2018 20:10:57
A mate of mine was in court for lighting loads of fires, the Judge gave him 2 years and told him to stop arson around -)

20.) 26 Feb 2018 21:30:44
Personally I feel Sam will get a payoff knowing that the 2 sides that come up with Wolves may struggle and by Xmas will be looking for a firefighter, in steps Mr Allardyce for another payday.
I see what you mean with the DoF BJU, ours is inexperienced, yes he is a good scout but that doesn't make him a good DoF, if we are to continue with that setup we need an experienced DoF to work in tandem with an experienced manager, and that for me is Rafa. There is a problem in our dressing room as the players just don't look like they fight for each other, a Fonseca or Silva is not experienced enough to deal with the egos and under performers in our dressing room. We need a tactician and disciplinarian who will command respect by way of what he has achieved in the game. Time will tell what happens next, but one things for sure, this season needs a thorough autopsy and then when the problem is solved we can fire, hire and move forward.

21.) 26 Feb 2018 23:18:31
We already have the wrong manager therefore we need to go out and get the right one. To continue with the wrong one is insane.

"It's a big world and we are an attractive proposition for an ambitious manager. We would have got our manager in Silva if we were allowed to. So managers will come to us and there is more availability in the summer. Midseason is not the time to go looking. "

22.) 27 Feb 2018 08:55:47
BJU it's easy to say we need to go out and get the right one, but what if we can't find the right one in the summer what do we do?

23.) 27 Feb 2018 12:09:48
The right manager is out there grumpy. Why are you intent on sticking with the wrong one?

So is your question not giving us an option? You want us all to say stick with Sam?

There's almost 7bil people in the world Grumpy. Sam is not the best we can do.

24.) 27 Feb 2018 15:14:29
BJU why is everything you post about SA. The answer could of been to settle with another manager for a season or two but for some reason you decide to make it pro or anti SA.

It is so easy to keep saying get rid of him (SA) but have you for a second even considered the right manager just may not want to join us whilst the club is the way it is. Have you for a second thought that maybe we will need a temporary manager in to steady the boat? Please stop making everything pro/ anti SA.

25.) 27 Feb 2018 19:03:00
You are asking what happens if we can't find the right manager. YOU are making this about Sam as YOU are talking about HIS job!

You are asking about what if we can't find the right manager. I'm being POSITIVE by saying we CAN get the right manager.

Stop being so negative about Everton. This summer could be the change that moves us forward.



13 Feb 2018 19:15:33
I wonder if we held a poll right now, with the question being, " Who do you hate the most, SA? or GrumpyToffee " how close it would be or do you think maybe SA would somehow get more votes?

{Ed025's Note - what happened to the 6pm curfew grumpy?..

1.) 13 Feb 2018 19:55:29
Lol sorry Ed.

{Ed025's Note - its fine mate..

2.) 13 Feb 2018 20:27:52
I vote for choice C which is "neither are hated and only time will tell how things will turn out, and that we need to trust that both Grumpy and Big Sam will be on target for uplifting expectations for the remainder of this season and next year. "

Whether we agree or disagree with Grumpy or Big Sam, if Grumpy is correct and Big Sam moves the ball forward like he says, then wouldn't that be a win-win scenario?

We tried two phenomenal coaches snce Moyes. Let's see what Sam does with some funds.

It's not like Everton will hire a manager based on our wishes in any case.

3.) 13 Feb 2018 20:55:06
I like choice C mate.

4.) 13 Feb 2018 22:06:15
Hate is a bit strong Grumpy old chap.

5.) 13 Feb 2018 22:41:21
I thought that DFS mate when I wrote it and thought it will be ok as loads of posts will say not hate.

Wow was I ever wrong lol.



13 Feb 2018 16:15:40
Guys and gals,

I have an idea, it is one that everyone should participate in.

These forums have been swamped with SA debates, these debates are turning into arguments. Now whilst debates are good as well as different opinions what is not good is when they move onto becoming tinder pots.

That being so I propose that from 6pm tonight until 6pm Thursday 15th Feb no one mentions SA in a derogatory or a positive way. I will find this very easy to do as will a lot of others, some will find it difficult and a small minority will find it impossible. But let's all give it a try.

Who knows where it will lead.

1.) 13 Feb 2018 16:49:46
What is this Grumpy? Kindergarten!

2.) 13 Feb 2018 17:14:33
At times I think so yes.

{Ed025's Note - good answer..

3.) 13 Feb 2018 17:53:25
I'm already sitting on the naughty step.

4.) 13 Feb 2018 17:56:19
Grumpy you are a legend!

5.) 13 Feb 2018 18:19:58
Does this mean I can’t play on my Xbox?

6.) 13 Feb 2018 18:24:59
Thanks NBTB mate I'm am sure everyone knows I'm back now lol

DFS you can leave the step whenever you think the time is right mate.

7.) 13 Feb 2018 19:01:37
Not until SWMBO says so Grumpy.

8.) 13 Feb 2018 19:02:08
Yes legend Grumpy. Totally agree. So no talk about Sam. Agreed 100%. So on another subject. I have a fat mate who runs a local team and some people are saying he is not up to the job. Says he picks the wrong players and puts them in the wrong positions too. The home record is looking ok but the away record is not too good. Do you think we should get rid of him?

9.) 13 Feb 2018 19:02:11
Again Toffee ace mate only when you yourself think the time is right to do so.

10.) 13 Feb 2018 19:58:52
When you say fat is he enormously fat or just over plump?

11.) 13 Feb 2018 21:05:49
I'd tell your mate Degsy to give it up. Is he a bit of a dodgy character? Bit up his own arse? πŸ˜‰.

12.) 13 Feb 2018 21:18:56
I guess I would say overly plump. but getting on for fat. With a little round blond faired scouce mate! Bit dodgy too!

13.) 13 Feb 2018 22:00:57
Well in that case Degsy mate just tell him to continue in fact invite them to your home for dinner and make them god parents to your children.




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14 Mar 2018 21:02:39
Hehehe wow is an understatement mate.



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14 Mar 2018 20:06:25
Going to be an interesting summer GB no matter what happens mate.



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13 Mar 2018 17:19:42
That did cross my mind BlueMike but then I thought that would of been done at finch farm with Bill present, We can only speculate mate.



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11 Mar 2018 20:20:30
It doesn't bother me GB, as Simon has said some people just like to disagree no matter what. Not too difficult to work out who they are though.



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11 Mar 2018 15:54:35
Thanks GB mate, Just thought it worth posting to show we are almost there (safe).




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21 Mar 2018 22:34:30
Hard to believe that 1% do not want the new ground to hold 50,000 or more.



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19 Mar 2018 21:18:49
Good reply Ed025, Thank you.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..



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19 Mar 2018 12:58:05
I think you are right Ed025.

I also think, more in Sams case than any other manager, That the more he proves the fans wrong the more they will dislike him. Nobody likes to be proved wrong and if done by someone you dislike it hurts a lot more. Just look at the thumbs down given when only facts are stated.

Now before the "Get rid of Grumpy" banners are out again, it is only my opinion and no amount of thumbs down will change that.

{Ed025's Note - he is marmite to be honest grumpy, the fact is that he was brought in to do a job and thats exactly what hes done, its not been pretty as we all know but the brief he was given will have said nothing about entertainment and will have put a premium on survival, i must admit that i would like someone else as im not a big fan of his football ethos but if he was to stay then i would certainly get behind him...well until i become as fickle as the rest and want CL attractive football as well as winning every game mate.. :)



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19 Mar 2018 13:06:42

Where do you get the thought that either myself or GB admire Sam? I for one have never said nor indicated any kind of admiration for him. What I have always said, week in and week out I repeat this, I support Everton and that includes everything that is part of Everton. Because I do not cherry pick the bits to support, that does not mean I admire him.



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18 Mar 2018 20:39:45
Lol not read it yet GB mate. Only a few weeks ago mate some on here saying we are definitely going down remember, He's proved them wrong about that as well lol.

{Ed025's Note - a managers popularity will always depend on results grumpy, lose a few and your crap, win a few and your the best thing since sliced bread, ahh the fickle football fans will always be the same mate..