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08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.


1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.


2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.


3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..


4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.


5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..


6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.


7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.


 

 

09 Apr 2017 21:34:38
Good result today and an important one that could bode well for us regarding pressure.

We now only need 11 points for us to guarantee us 7th place and European football next season. That is if Southampton Win every game they have left, Should they lose one we only need 8 points. Now 8 points with the final run in we have is very achievable.

We should win all of our games with the exception of a draw against Chelski and a defeat against the Gooners. If the Gooners go into panic mode and we end up playing our last game of the season to snatch 6th place from them then I think we will win that game. Very nice first season RK. Next season we want to be fighting for 4th and 3rd.


1.) 10 Apr 2017 07:23:14
Phil Neville is right to a point. RK is the signing of the summer and in my opinion we are playing better football (far more constructive and solid) , home and away than we did under Martinez. Up to a point means, with the inclusion of RK's brother, Walsh as DoF, retaining of big Dunc and last but not least Mr Moshri's arrival sparking a whole turn around in philosophy, ambition and the confidence which has brought about the consistency needed at this level. We are almost certain to lose Lukaku in the summer but no doubt Mr Walsh and Mr Koeman already have someone in mind plus others which next season will hopefully take us onwards and upwards. COYB.


2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:39:00
In my honest opinion, sadly at moment we have two teams a home team full of attack and promise and a away team far less so . The so called big teams play the same way home and away we need to do the same we could do no worse than we have.


 

 

15 Jan 2017 15:49:39
Today showed us that negotiating on transfers is very important. Take John Stones for example £50m + an assist. No wonder it takes so long.


 

 

15 Aug 2016 14:04:18
Apparently Yannick Bolasie has signed a 5 year deal with us. Cost £25 million plus add ons.


1.) 15 Aug 2016 16:56:49
22,5 plus addons.


2.) 15 Aug 2016 18:17:52
Yes Bill once again you are correct. At the time I wrote the above it had not been confirmed and was still a rumour. I see I was correct at least in spelling his name right .


 

 

14 Aug 2016 11:19:06
What do you think of this for a stat?

Yesterday our new signing Gueye made more tackles than the whole of Spur's midfield made during the match.

That is one heck of a stat.

{Ed025's Note - im very happy grumpy.. :)


1.) 14 Aug 2016 11:29:07
What a little player this fella looks!


2.) 14 Aug 2016 11:51:49
Wow looks a great little player.


3.) 14 Aug 2016 12:14:02
He looks a real good player gives us something extra in midfield and really good passer as well.


4.) 14 Aug 2016 12:21:02
Does anyone else think we'll get more than the 3-4 players ron has said we'll get? Need a keeper 2 strikers I'd rom goes looks like we're in for 2 left wingers still need a creative midd another CB kone?

The 4 players needed doesn't seem enough for me.


5.) 14 Aug 2016 12:35:37
That will do us till January tho.


6.) 14 Aug 2016 13:03:35
Need a striker and an attacking centre mid asap. If lukaku is injured we lack up top and we need a goal threat from the centre of the park.


7.) 14 Aug 2016 13:19:06
He probably made more tackles and interceptions than our whole team combined in the last 5 games of last season.


8.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.


9.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.


 

 

 

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19 Nov 2017 16:40:47
Ed025 this is for you my friend.

When things are going bad we all (myself included) sometimes struggle to remember why we love our club so much, We all forget why it is embedded in our blood. Perhaps this will remind you why we go through the pain we do time and time again.

We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the world's first purpose made and designed dedicated football ground.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park is the only club ground to have hosted a world cup semi-final.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the venue for England v Republic of Ireland 21 September 1949. England lost 2–0 and this was their first home defeat to a non-UK country. Everton's Peter Farrell scored.
We love Everton because, Everton are the first English club to appear in European competitions five seasons running (1962–63 to 1966–67) .
We love Everton because, Everton have played in more top flight seasons than any other club.
We love Everton because, we have scored and conceded more goals in the top division than any other club.
We love Everton because, Everton have both drawn and lost more top flight matches than any other side.
We love Everton because, we hold the unusual distinction of being reigning League champions for the longest time. They won the championship in 1915 and thus remained reigning champions until the 1919–20 season due to the World War I league cancellation. They were also champions in 1939, and again remained reigning champions until the league resumed in 1946-7 after World War II.
We love Everton because, we are the first English club to be presented with the League Championship trophy and medals.
We love Everton because, we are the first club to have the youngest Premiership goalscorer in two consecutive seasons with two different players
We love Everton because, we are the First club to play 4000 top-flight games
We love Everton because, we are the First club to amass 5000 League points
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the League Championship on two different grounds.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to stage an FA Cup final
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to install dugouts
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to be invited to train at the Italian training HQ at Coverciano.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the FA Cup Final after being 2–0 down.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to appear in 4 consecutive Charity Shields at Wembley 1984-7.
We love Everton because, Jack Southworth's six goals v West Bromwich Albion, 30 December 1893, was the first such instance in Football League history.
We love Everton because, we have the Most disciplinary points received in the Premier League (2 points for a red card, one for a yellow) : 1252
We love Everton because, Goodison Park, built in 1892, was the world's first complete purpose-built football ground.
We love Everton because, Everton were the first European club to install undersoil heating in their stadium.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win a penalty shoot-out in the European Cup – 1970 v Borussia Mönchengladbach
We love Everton because, we are the First club in all of Europe to issue a regular match programme for home fixtures.
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a four-sided stadium with two tier stands
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a stadium with a three-tier stand
We Support Everton because we love Everton.

Got your love back Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - i never lose the love grumpy, but just like ciggies and ale i know they are bad for me but i just cant help myself mate...thanks anyway mate..


1.) 19 Nov 2017 17:46:02
No problem mate,

There are things there that can never be taken away from us, So many firsts.


2.) 19 Nov 2017 17:52:42
Excellent post Grumpy mate sums up us Evertonions in a nutshell Brilliant mate.


3.) 19 Nov 2017 19:30:48
Fantastic post mate. Reminds me it's not just about the way we feel right now. Here's hoping we'll add a few more firsts to that list while we're all still breathing!


4.) 19 Nov 2017 20:52:50
Thanks GB, WB my sentiments exactly mate.


 

 

18 Nov 2017 18:41:07
Here are a few Stats about our beloved club I thought you may enjoy.

Wins

Most League wins in a season
29 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Fewest League wins in a season

9 in 22 matches, First Division, 1912–13
9 in 42 matches, 1979–80
9 in 38 matches FA Premier League, 1997–98 and 2003–04

Defeats

Most League defeats in a season
22 in 42 matches, FA Premier League, 1993–94

Fewest League defeats in a season
1 in 22 matches, First Division, 1890–91

Goals

Most League goals scored in a season
121 in 42 matches, Second Division, 1930–31

Fewest League goals scored in a season
34 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2005–06

Most League goals conceded in a season
92 in 42 matches, First Division, 1929–30

Fewest League goals conceded in a season
27 in 40 matches, First Division, 1987–88

Points

Most points in a League season (2 for a win)
66 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Most points in a League season (3 for a win)
90 in 42 matches, First Division, 1984–85

Fewest points in a League season (2 for a win) 20 in 22 matches, First Division, 1888–89

Fewest points in a League season (3 for a win) 39 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2003–04

Matches

Firsts

First FA Cup match – v. Bolton, First Qualifying Round, 12 November 1887 (drew 0–0) [3]

First League match – v. Accrington, First Division, 8 September 1888 (won 2–1)

First match at Goodison – v. Bolton, First Division, (won 4–2)

First European match – v. Dunfermline F. C., Fairs Cup, 25 September 1962 (won 1–0)

First League Cup match – v. Accrington Stanley, (won 3–1)

Record wins

Record League Victory:
9–1 v Manchester City, 3 September 1906; and
v Plymouth Argyle, 27 December 1930 (W Dean and J Stein both scored 4, a first for Everton)

Record FA Cup Victory: 11–2 v Derby County, FA Cup, 5th Round, 18 January 1890 (Hat-tricks from Fred Geary, Alec Brady and Alf Milward) [4]

Record League Cup Victory: 8–0 v Wimbledon, League Cup, 2nd Round, 29 August 1978

Record Aggregate League Cup Victory: 11–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 1990

Record European Victory: 6–1 v SK Brann, UEFA CUP, Round of 32, 21 February 2008

Record Aggregate European Victory: 10–0 v Finn Harps, UEFA CUP, 1st Round, 1978

Record away wins

Record League Victory: 7–0 v Charlton Athletic, 7 February 1931

Record FA Cup Victory: 6–0 v Crystal Palace, 4 January 1931

Record Top Flight Victory: 6–1 v Derby County, 5 November 1892

Record League Cup Victory: 5–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round 1st Leg, 25 September 1990

Record European Victory: 5-0 v Finn Harps, UEFA Cup, 1st Round 1st Leg, 12 September 1978

Record defeats

Record League Defeat: 0–7 v Sunderland, Football League Div 1, 26 December 1934;
v Wolves, Football League Div 1, 22 February 1939;
v Arsenal, Premier League, 11 May 2005[5]

Record FA Cup Defeat:

0–6 v Crystal Palace, FA Cup, 1st Round,

Attendances

Highest League Attendance
78,299 v Liverpool, 18 September 1948

Highest FA Cup Attendance 77,902 v Manchester United, FA Cup, 5th Round, 14 February 1953

Highest League Cup Attendance 54,032 v Bolton, League Cup, Semi Final, 1st Leg, 18 January 1977

Highest European Attendance 62,408 v Internazionale Milano, European Cup, 1st Round, 1st Leg, 18 September 1963

Lowest League Attendance 7,802 v Sheffield Wednesday, 1 May 1934

Lowest FA Cup Attendance 15,293 v Wimbledon, FA Cup, 3rd Round Replay, 12 January 1993

Lowest League Cup Attendance 7,415 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 2nd Leg, 9 October 1990.

{Ed0333's Note - Has anyone attended all of these games?


1.) 18 Nov 2017 18:56:30
There are a good few of these I have been to. I was surprised when I saw they were club records. Have you been to many of them Ed?

{Ed0333's Note - you think I read that post?


2.) 18 Nov 2017 19:01:12
Ed you should be asking has anyone played in any of them games? lol.


3.) 18 Nov 2017 19:30:05
nice one mate that cheered me after today.


4.) 18 Nov 2017 19:41:00
Were you at any of them GB mate?


 

 

17 Nov 2017 16:02:28
Well I've put on the old tin hat ready for the bombardment that will no doubt follow.

I see a few are saying how we showed heart by coming back from 2 - 0 to win the game.

What I don't see is people saying we should of never been in that situation in the first place, for crying out loud we were only playing Watford, our reserve team could beat them. We showed this so called heart for about 20 minutes and only then when they had their reserve goal keeper on.

This now begs the question that if Unsworth has the full backing of the players and they want him as manager, then why oh why did they not play like that for the full 90 minutes instead of 20? Had we of been playing stronger opposition then I fear we would not of been chasing a 2 goal deficit but a much higher one.

When people say we were lucky they are right, we were lucky it WAS only Watford, we were lucky they had only scored 2 and not more, we were lucky they were weakened with players going off, we were lucky that THEY ALLOWED us back into the game.

Before we start going on about the team showing heart and passion maybe they should show it for the full 90 minutes, because when they only so called show it for 20 minutes, Then to me it does not look like. It does not look like they have the heart, It does not look like they have the passion, and it most certainly does not look like they are in any way supporting the manager.

So far under Unsworth I have seen no improvement in the team, in fact we seem to be letting in more and more preventable goals, under his guidance the team loses it's way once they fall behind. Now a lot of this could be attributed to Koeman BUT let us be realistic when I say that there should have been signs of improvement somewhere on the pitch.

Unsworth has genuine passion and love for Everton, but then so do I. Sadly as a top flight manager that is not enough, if it were then we would be top of the league. He is an awesome manager at the under 23's but that does not equate to the premier league, it is easier to motivate your team when you have a carrot to dangle, an achievable reward for them to aim for. The carrot he had was the possibility of first team football, not a promise just the possibility, That in itself is a big motivator.

In the premiership he has no such carrot and it shows on the pitch. The top managers worldwide are all top motivators and as such can get the very best out of their players for the full 90 minutes. Unsworth needs to get another 350% to reach that. To do that will take a tremendous improvement in his current managerial experience, he needs more than anything to be tutored by another top manager, whomever that will be, before he can take over the mantle at Everton. I fear that should he be allowed to learn as he goes along it will have a detrimental effect on our great club, with a very real possibility of relegation.

Thank you.


1.) 17 Nov 2017 16:51:41
Absolutely spot on Grumpy mate. Had there keeper not gone off then the result would not have been what it was.


2.) 17 Nov 2017 17:20:17
how about giving the players credit yes I agree we shouldn't of been in that position but Watford aren't a poor side they are decent and so what if it was only 20 minutes those players could of let their heads drop but they never they kept going and don't be naive to think we only won because gomes went off you do know it's 11v11 don't you.


3.) 17 Nov 2017 17:40:52
Yer we was very lucky that fat fella tuk the day off and give goal keeping a go and they let him. Are manager got a team that had there confidence truly bettered out of them and we was lucky a goal went in by hook or by crook that give us the confidence to believe it had nothing to do with the fact gk went off you would think they put Williams in goal they can't be that bad a team if we are willing to pay 10mill for the manager. The team unsy has got is awful that's has nothing to do with him unless we get a manager that can score goals it will not help us rant over.


4.) 17 Nov 2017 17:41:35
Well the fact there reserve keeper made two howlers, sort of gives it away a bit really. It's not naivety mate, I have watched this team all season and they are poor. That result will not change that.


5.) 17 Nov 2017 18:14:14
I have watched them all season too as a season ticket holder in the lower Gladys so that's a stupid comment and I didn't say we were world beaters I said how about giving them some credit and that's not us being lucky if their keeper made mistakes Jesus how about stop putting them down after coming back from 2-0 down and give them your support no wonder they hate playing at goodison with fans who breath negativity I for one will keep believing we can win every game otherwise there is no use supporting us.


6.) 17 Nov 2017 18:21:54
Give the players credit?

You expect me to give the players credit for playing for 20 minutes and not 90?

Why should I give them credit for trying for less than a quarter of the game? .

If we had shown that passion all season we would be in a higher league position and probably still able to qualify for the next round in Europe. it may be 11 v 11 but it certainly was not 11 playing against 11 for 70 minutes.


7.) 17 Nov 2017 18:25:13
The Watford game is done let's move on. Let's hope the team take that confidence and get a win against Palace.


8.) 17 Nov 2017 20:27:40
so grumpy your take on it is moan when we lose and moan when we win glad I don't have to sit next to you at the old lady.


9.) 17 Nov 2017 20:47:35
Agree totally Grumpy mate we were very very poor against Watford and definitely got out of that game with a flukey win mate.


10.) 17 Nov 2017 21:03:26
bluey the clue there is Watford are decent, we are far better than that and have the Squad that should easily beat anyone of Watfords calibre. Like it or not we were very very lucky against Watford. Whatever has happened to undermine a Squad of undoubted talent is way above what I/ we understand. What I do know is that we will not be in a relegation fight come the second half of the season. Prediction 10th.


11.) 17 Nov 2017 21:07:29
Bluey you are totally missing my point here.

Let me explain in a shortened down version.

IF and I say IF loosely the players really did have Unsworths back they would have played like the last 20 minutes for all of the game. They have now shown they are actually capable of playing well yet chose not to for the majority of the game. It is FOR THAT reason I do not think Unsworth is the right man for manager. The team has proven it can play, but only when THEY want not when Unsworth wants them to.


12.) 17 Nov 2017 22:38:20
Grumpy it is the U23'S That Unsworth knows well and therefore trusts and vice versa. I think that what we will see under him is a gradual integration of that core U23 making the transition into the first Team, the skill there is going to be massaging of senior ego's.


13.) 17 Nov 2017 23:31:41
Could be the changes Unsworth made that made the difference, hence why we played better, Unsworth has taken over a team out of shape and lacking confidence, he has had 4 games in charge, 3 of them away, yes we were lucky in the end but not a mention of possibly two penalties we should have had at Leicester.

Give the guy time to assemble his best 11 before dismissing the guy, let’s not forget he has a 75% win rate in charge of the first team in premier league matches.

If he gets a run of games, it will not take long to work out his best 11 and a system.

3 of those games came less than two weeks of taking charge and little time to work out a system n training.


14.) 18 Nov 2017 07:33:23
Good post Bazwil although I like Grumpy don't think he is ready yet. I wouldn't have any issue with him taking it till the end of the season. I think he has only managed 3 prem games and won only one which would be 66%.


15.) 18 Nov 2017 08:17:48
I'm with grumpy.


16.) 18 Nov 2017 09:59:14
Two I meant.


17.) 18 Nov 2017 10:47:23
we won we got 3 points doesn't matter how it came about.


18.) 18 Nov 2017 13:07:18
how can u disagree with that? 3 points is all's that matters.


19.) 18 Nov 2017 13:58:20
I think we should draw a line under this thread for now.

There have been some very good points raised both for and against having Unsworth in charge.

Thank you to all contributers regardless if you agree with me or not, it has all made for an interesting debate.


 

 

05 Nov 2017 15:31:50
I am writing this before the team against Watford has been released.

Everton, at this moment in time, are in it up to their necks, and unless changes are made we will remain there. People on these forums are calling for the heads of Walsh, The Board, Kenright and even Moshri.

Now whilst it is understandable to want changes and the heads of everyone at the top, it will never happen, so no matter how many posts are made, crying about a broken Everton, they are only being read by people who already know and think like-wise.

Let us pretend for a moment that the everybody at Everton actually read these forums and acted accordingly, The board resigns, BK resigns, SW resigns, FM resigns, Where does that leave us?

Should those things that many of you are wishing for actually happen, then ladies and gentlemen you will really know what it is like to be in the mire. Everton, as a football club would fold, we would be declare bankrupt within days of it happening as the board, Kenright and Moshri along with the bank will all be taking any monies owed to them out of the club. let's for a moment say that instead of resigning (as a lot of you want) they sell or should I say try to. Who would buy a business with no board no structure that is operating at a loss and is in debt?

Believe it or not, this is to all you naysayers out there, Everton have actually been in worse situations and predicaments than we find ourselves in now. In reality I would say at least a dozen times before, The one thing that we as a club are good at is getting ourselves out of bad situations, we will get ourselves out of this and future predicaments we find ourselves in.

The main difference between this one and previous ones is social media, now social media is never a good thing when things are going bad, people tend to jump from one ship onto another and within hours start demanding things without thinking what would happen if the demands were met. Facts are very often replaced by views that are then mistakenly taken as fact by others. Because of the speed of social media, we the participants, often get frustrated by the seemingly lack of speed in real life, because we are not given minute by minute updates we wrongly assume that nothing is being done, we believe that no one cares.

Now personally I strongly believe that the board, FM, BK, SW do really care about Everton
and the future of the club, no one connected to Everton wants us in this situation, What they must do is concentrate their efforts in finding the right solution for us. We may not agree with what they decide, but one thing will be for certain and that is they will make decisions based on what they perceive is best for the club. What we as the customer and fans must do is to try and support them throughout this turbulent time.

We have become very quick at criticizing and very slow at supporting Everton, maybe this is the way of the future, it is not a way we should be proud of. We have always had really good supporters who have found it in themselves to back the club, sadly that seems to be changing for the worse but for whatever the future holds I will always support all the decisions made, I may not agree with them but I would not demand resignations because of it, I'm just too proud to stoop that low.

{Ed025's Note - very good read that grumpy...kudos mate..


1.) 05 Nov 2017 15:54:20
Think most of what you are saying Grumpy mate is all ready being dealt with, i support Mr Moshiri and the board 100%, may it long continue cheers.


 

 

26 Oct 2017 15:49:35
I have to admit to being a little worried about the prospect of David Unsworth becoming our next full time manager.

Last night we played a lot better in the second half than we did in the first, we also gave away an easy goal and our passing of the ball was average at best. For Unsworths first game after RK being sacked it was exceptional, we were a joy to watch especially after the last dozen games we have played. The problems I have mentioned can be worked on and Unsworth is more than capable in this aspect.

My main concern with Unsworth is that he just is not ready to move up into mainstream football management. His pedigree so far is a good one but it is by no means complete, Whilst his achievements with the under 23's are to be applauded, he has not yet been up against top flight managers on a regular basis and it is this that concerns me.

As much of an improvement we seen last night we were still only average, he is installing passion back into the squad and at this particular time I think he is in the right position as our interim manager, but he desperately needs to get some first team management experience under his belt, I feel he will best get this by being assistant to whomever is appointed next. Let him get 2 or 3 years under his belt then let him move up and become one of our great managers.


1.) 26 Oct 2017 16:31:11
Grumpy he has had less than two Days to pick a team for the Chelsea game, how many games did Howard Kendall have when he became a Blackburn Rovers manager, he was still player manager, here you have a guy who has managed an under 23 team, Moyes, Koeman didn’t get results often against the big boys, if you do not give a guy a chance we will be forever stuck with top named managers at a club for a season or so max, why not let the likes of Dyche, Eddie How and Unsworth have a go instead of importing foreign managers who know jack rubbish about the club, until we gives these guys a go, we will never know, I would judge Unsworth after around 10 games.

I stand to be proved wrong but I honestly believe Unsworth will do a great job so I am nailing my sail to the mast and in the Unsworth for next manager corner.


2.) 26 Oct 2017 16:51:54
Why not unsworth?
Why do you think he's not good enough?
U23s are pretty much fringe players anyway and he's won the league.
Whos better than him right now?
Dyche?
Tuchel?
What have they actually done to deserve the job?
Why have people got so much faith in their abilities and none whatsoever in unsworth?
He has the backing of most senior players and for me that puts him above any name mentioned right now.
1 training session and he already produced our best performance of the season.
Get behind him instead of throwing up the usual tripe of he's got no experience at this level.
Tuchel has NO prem experience and can't speak English either.
Dyche has no expectations in his current job either.
Koeman won virtually nothing as a manager and martinez was a disgrace based on his record yet they both got the job.
Give him a go before doubting him. ffs.


3.) 26 Oct 2017 17:23:44
Pauly try reading my post before saying get behind him and what's with the anger? .

How come you and others did not champion him before RK was appointed? Why has he suddenly become " Super manager"?

Both Koeman and Martinez had what Unsworth does not and that is EXPERIENCE in top flight football.

If the board said they were going to appoint a manager who has no experience in top flight football you and others quite rightly would not be happy. Unsworth lacks that experience, he needs in my opinion to spend 2 or 3 years as an assistant . wait a minute I've already said all of this

Having the backing of the most senior players does not make him the ideal candidate or have the players now taken control of the dressing room, in which case we don't need a manager.

We need a manager who is able to take us to the next level and one who can teach Unsworth what it's all about.

So read my post properly before doubting me.


4.) 26 Oct 2017 17:37:02
And they both failed. Unsworth deserves a shot at it. he's a blue through and through so gets my vote.


5.) 26 Oct 2017 17:38:45
Why all is experience so important Koeman had loads of that, Unsworth knows those players inside out, I've said before the player are what thay are and whatever Managers comes in he will find if difficult, the difference with Unsworth is that he also knows first hand how good the under 23 are and he will not be afraid to use them. I would seriously consider giving him the Job, I hope he gets it.


6.) 26 Oct 2017 17:49:25
Unsworth for me, don't want a dead beat manager that get's the sack and then moves on to another club and makes loads of money, with a bit of luck we could have won last night, but he has to sort Rooney out, looks like he can do anything he likes when playing?

{Ed025's Note - im with you stig, wayne seems to create more problems than he actually solves, hes an impact sub for me mate..


7.) 26 Oct 2017 18:06:32
Uran he can only use players that are named as being in the squad, If you guys are happy with us trying out an inexperienced manager as opposed to the same person being trained up, then who am I to argue.

I hope if he is appointed he does well, because of how temperamental the fan base you will very quickly demand he be thrown to the wolves if he does bad.

If we are a so called club with ambition why oh why appoint someone without the experience to move us on? If as everyone seems to hope for he gets the job I only hope he can attract good enough players to move us on, If you were a world class player or even a potential one would you sign up to a manager with no experience, It is highly unlikely.


8.) 26 Oct 2017 18:10:10
Anonblue in that case should we only appoint ex players as managers providing they support Everton? I'm a blue through and through I also have no experience of managing top flight teams, maybe I should get the job, Being a blue through and through I know I'd get your vote.


9.) 26 Oct 2017 18:21:21
Grumpy how do you know who i championed after martinez?
I knew koeman was the wrong choice and i also said RM was.
No anger either i'm just getting fed up with people writing unsworth off before he's had a chance.
Also if the players have a preference for a manager it doesn't mean player power rules it just signifies a willingness to work with him.
Maybe they prefer his ideas about how football should be played and maybe they respect his passion for the club.
Perhaps they see the potential in DU to be a great manager who can bring success.
Im hoping so.


10.) 26 Oct 2017 18:33:21
The thing is Pauly it was only 3 days ago you were saying that for the club to show any ambition there was only 2 choices they could make.
Dyche and Ancholetti, It is evident you no longer want Dyche and don't think he should have the job due to doing nothing. Now or should I say today you are behind DU

The problem with jumping on the bandwagon is old posts come back and bite you in the .


11.) 26 Oct 2017 19:12:57
Youve got me mistaken
I offered the 2 options being touted about
I then said ancelotti as i would rather see ambition than a dyche type
With unsworth being installed i then did what we all should do and decided to back him 100%
After his 1st game i am more rhan prepared to see him given full control for at least this season to see what he can do
I also ancelotti before i heard the players were behind Unsworth.


12.) 26 Oct 2017 19:13:59
Grumpy maybe you should read my olf posts properly.


13.) 26 Oct 2017 19:27:35
I would go for an experienced manager with a 3 year contract but put Unsworth under him for 2-3 years. That way both would benefit from each others experience and knowledge without swaying too far away from the Everton way. Just a thought.


14.) 26 Oct 2017 19:49:20
For whatever reason this thread has been slightly derailed.

I have never said I would not get behind DU but that I do not feel he is best suited at this stage in his career, to manage Everton. I don't know who is but I do know it's not him, due to the reasons I have stated.

I understand we don't want to appoint a rubbish manager who will leave us after a year or so but let me tell you all something, Neither Martinez nor Koeman were appointed for those reasons. Let us be realistic here, no matter who was in charge yesterday, would of got a better response from the team that RK did. I was overjoyed yesterday at how we played but don't see DU as the next messiah because of it.

Why not be fair on DU and allow him to learn in the top flight as an assistant manager? because IF he gets appointed and we do not get back into Europe by the end of next season you will all want him sacked. He deserves better than that so why not let him train?

I'm leaving this now as I have said enough and made my point.


15.) 26 Oct 2017 20:38:24
I hope we win every game forever which means whoever is currently in the dugout stays forever - go make it yours Unsy.


16.) 26 Oct 2017 21:01:12
Hasn’t big Dunc been coaching with first team? Why hasn’t he been appointed as interim manager. Am I missing something here? Unsworth has a great record and has the players playing for the short again but the doubt is can he step up with senior players. I can see what one of the posters means about Unsworth being an assistant to gain experience. That’s what Duncan has done and thought he would step up. Maybe the two should swap positions if the new manager is appointed if they not chosen.
Everyone is divided on who they want and don’t envy the boards decision. The likes of Dyche and Silva have their teams playing in form at the moment but Eddie Howe was flavour of the month last season when Bournemouth were playing good football and getting results. He hasn’t been mentioned much. My point is a lot of these good steady managers can get results but none stick out 100% and would be a gamble.
Koeman has a good pedigree but made mistakes with not replacing Lukaku and seemed to lose the dressing room. If he couldn’t get a striker in we should have been tight defensively and had 0-0, which we never did.
At this moment in time can we attract top calibre managers like Ancelotti probably not. Benitez would be my shout but he said previously that his loyalty is with Liverpool and don’t think he would come to us at this moment but maybe if we in top 6 and pushing top four and promised him money then it’s possible to persuade him but we have fallen behind now unfortunately.


17.) 26 Oct 2017 21:44:46
G. t. Why do you think that a high profile manager will bring sucesss to Everton? All mangers have n football have been failures but with a very few exceptions, the troubles is a bit like Koeman they all think that they can buy their way to success, Koeman was all about how much he could spend to make him successful not Everton, and he was certainly good at that, he never care about Everton only himself so he could go on and Manage Barcelona or Real or Paris but he is no different to them all, with Unsworth we must give him the chance to succeed because he is not for spending to create success, we at Everton love to see our youngsters come through and we need a Manager that will allow this to happen, USWORTH for me.


18.) 26 Oct 2017 23:03:24
Uran I have not nor will I ever say we need a high profile manager, only one with the relevant experience in top flight football and also be happy to take Unsworth under his wing. What part of that is so difficult to understand?

Starting to feel like I should never of started this thread as it has been taken out of context so many times it is turning farcical.


19.) 27 Oct 2017 00:00:33
Now now chaps.

At least you won the transfer window this season.


20.) 27 Oct 2017 07:59:38
Grumpy I understand your bread but there is only one person can be the Manager, if Unsworth were to take the number two role and 6months later the Manager gets the sack then he is also finished, so I am sure a person like Unsworth would refuse that position and
Carry on been the Manger of the Under 23, any Grumpy it was a very good thread but I still hope the job goes to Unsworth until the end of the season or at least a run of games maybe up to January.


21.) 27 Oct 2017 14:06:26
But why put an experiance manager in, have we not done that with Koeman, Walter Smith being the two big named managers, why should Unsworth need to be a number 2 for years before getting a job,

Unsworth knows the entire squad inside out, wants the job not for the money but to manage and bust a gut getting results for Everton Football club, he may fail but for Christ sake, let’s learn from our past mistakes and give the guy a go, before drafting in a so called big name who may go the same way as Koeman, De Boar and Martinez.


 

 

 

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Good old Peaky Blinders, new season starts Wednesday 9pm BBC2. Hope that season is better than ours so far.


 

 

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07 Nov 2017 22:36:03
While we are at it Ed how about Jack Lester if Hoddle turned us down :-)


 

 

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Good question Murf. I was wondering the same thing.


 

 

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Good post GB, Smit mate I have been saying the same thing for a while now and I think I can count on 3 fingers the amount of people agreeing with me. I don't think he should manage in the lower leagues tho, he should stick with us and learn from whomever we get in. I would love him to be able to manage us one day.


 

 

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There are a good few of these I have been to. I was surprised when I saw they were club records. Have you been to many of them Ed?

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