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26 Jul 2015 10:45:29
Why are most blues being so negative before a ball is kicked we have bought in two good signings and yes we need a couple more but we still have a really good team we have stones and Barkley two of Englands best talents we have Lukaku one of belguims top talents and Del boy one of of spains top talents along side that we have Jags Coleman Baines Mcarthy Osman ect so not sure why a lot of fans are already acting like we have already been relegated and before you say but they have all been buying players to strengthen I only want to buy if it improves our squad otherwise I would rather keep the money incase somebody who can do that becomes available IMWT COYB
{Ed025's Note - i love your optimism johnny lets hope we keep them all mate..
1.) 26 Jul 2015 11:02:06
Osman are you for real.
2.) 26 Jul 2015 11:02:46
thats the next test they keep coming out saying we don't have to sell so let's see them say no as much as I don't like Liverpoo when it comes to selling players they dig there heals in and only sell if it benefits themselves this is what we have to do the players are on long term contracts and if we don't want to let them go that's it end off
3.) 26 Jul 2015 11:19:02
Johnnyday,
the problem is that team you mentioned wasn't good enough for a top 8 finnish last year.
All the teams that did finish above us have strengthened with players that have improved there squads but would of improved ours.
Osmans legs have gone and barkley is struggling (for what ever reason). Del boy is injured so won't be fit start of season. Lukaku blows hot & cold depending on his mood. So, looking at current prem squads the top 6 looks closed to us and Stoke, Swansea, Southampton, palace, Newcastle, West ham looking for 7th place!!
Scary isn't it?
4.) 26 Jul 2015 12:58:00
It's good to be optimistic Johnny but our current squad were for the most part terrible last season and our two additions aren't great mate I mean cleverly is terrible and delefou blows hot and cold it's the performance against arsenal that's very worrying bud
5.) 26 Jul 2015 13:14:56
I expected us to finish around 10th with us being in the Europa league history shows teams struggle for league form when in it and what's wrong with Leon Osman he has been a fantastic player for years and can still effect games when coming off the bench.
I wouldn't say Cleverly is terrible not the kind of player we all wanted but he now plays for us and he will get my full support basically these players will of learnt a lot last season along side Roberto so I hope we are challenging top 5 this season we have the squad to do it.
6.) 26 Jul 2015 14:05:34
Europa league could have gone a lot worse for us in the PL. Fulham never recovered from their brief stint and got relegated the season after I think. Seriously doubt that would happen to us this season. The Arsenal friendly did show some worrying signs, but let's face it, the heat was tremendous, the squad is still finding fitness (much better / sooner than last year) and it was only a pre season game, where nobody wanted to go all out and possibly pick up an injury. Tactics have to get a major upgrade though. Remember when pre season games didn't usually matter? Add the words 'tournament' and 'cup' to the proceedings and suddenly everyone takes it a lot more seriously. It's 1st game of the season that truly counts. If we get battered by Watford, then we can officially start to worry, but until then, let's try to be calm as Hindu cows!
7.) 26 Jul 2015 16:56:07
good post blue
23 Mar 2015 09:32:51
I can not believe the rubbish some fans write Roberto out are you boys having a laugh I used to enjoy coming on this page but lately its really embarrassing are you old enough to remember us under Mike Walker and Walter Smith do you remember Moyes's second season when we finished 17th without being in Europe as a Evertonion one season does not make Roberto a poor Manager yes we have had a poor season but we had an exceptional one last season some would say over achieved next season will be the defining season for Roberto it will be a interesting summer who comes in who goes but by shouting Roberto out just embarrasses this great club and makes our fans a laughing stock we stick with our team, club and manager through thick and thin have faith and if we are in the same position this time next season then start questioning Roberto as manager not after 2 seasons
1.) 23 Mar 2015 11:32:56
could not disagree more, the mans a bloodey joke, a bad one at that, he is a walking liability, if allowed more time, he will take us the way of Wigan.
2.) 23 Mar 2015 13:02:39
Completely disagree with the OP. Roberto has been poor this season and needs to go. Here's why:
1. Tactics- Roberto's tactics have been one dimensional, and teams have figured out that if they press high up the pitch, our defence makes mistakes. Roberto has refused to rectify this, and has even said he will not compromise the passing game, which as stats have shown, is often leaving us camped in our own half, with 60% possession but like 5 shots on goal. His team selection also leaves a lot to be desired. He picks his favourite 11 instead of his best team, leaving us with 3 defensive midfielders and 1 winger in some weeks, or 3 no.10s another. He often plays players out of position when they are clearly uncomfortable and not competent in that area (e.g. Barkley, Naismith on the wing). He also has no system for picking players, and plays his favourites no matter what, such as Barry when he has been awful all season, plays every game, or dropping Joel for Howard, or playing Alcaraz instead of Stones on Thursday. His substitutions are also poor, bringing off Besic every game despite often being our best player, or not substituting Alcaraz on Thursday when he was having an awful game and was at fault for several goals.
2. Transfers/Appointments- His transfers have been okay, but he's got a couple of poor ones, Alcaraz, Kone and McGeady. His staff appointments and departures are also a moot point. He has got rid of fitness coaches/physios and replaced with his own, which could be a factor in our injuries, as we have had a lot more injuries than we used to in his reign, particularly hamstrings.
3. Training- Players have said that he doesn't do much fitness training, preferring ball work. Anybody can see that this is a likely contribution to players apparent lack of fitness in matches and the excessive injuries. Also, Martinez doesn't practice corners, as he believes it isn't a proper way to score. This has a twofold effect, firstly, we are really poor at defending corners, which has lead us to concede a lot of goals, and secondly we are missing out on a very effective method of goalscoring, especially when you have Big Rom in the box.
4. Honesty- He lies through his teeth in press conferences, putting a positive spin on everything e.g. "we showed great character" when we have been beaten by a team at the bottom end of the table. I don't want him to rip into the team in public, but he needs to admit when we have played poorly and underachieved, instead of constantly making excuses.
5. Results- See table.
Overall, given the way his first season went, I could probably forgive all of the above if it was his first big job or if he was new to management, but the fact remains that this is the same side as last season, the best team we have had in about 30 years and a team that should be higher up the table. The problem is that he has refused to change, and there is no evidence that he is prepared to change, as most of the problems we have experienced this season were problems his last club had. He has no plan B, and refuses to have one. This unwillingness to adapt is the reason he needs to go. I don't think we should be prepared to risk our future as a top flight club, just to give this charlatan a chance to win a meaningless bit of silverware like a league cup.
3.) 23 Mar 2015 13:56:01
Excellent post Tommy, all I would add to that is the OP talks about embarrassment, how embarrassing is it for this great club, when the manager has the nerve to appear on television and tell the world how "phenomenal" we have played and how unlucky we where when the reality is we played abysmal at best?
I would agree with the OP on one point though, and that is one season does not make El Bob a bad manager, but this is his sixth season as a Manager in the PL, his finishing positions being in order 16th, 16th, 15th, 18th, 5th and whatever we manage to achieve this season. Thus I would suggest five poor seasons out of six attempts make him not good enough to be in charge of Everton.
4.) 23 Mar 2015 14:12:07
Also, at least under the likes of Walter Smith, we had a poor side and no money to improve it, so our position in the league was realistic. Like I said above, the team we have this year is easily a top 8 side, so there's no real excuse for where we are now.
5.) 23 Mar 2015 17:07:49
Sorry OP, but you have to look at the squad,
under RM they are anything from 9 points to maybe 12 points shy of their real potential (currently)this season!
Last season was obviously his zenith, imo because of 2 main factors
#1 He inherited a solid defence in terms of know how and players being familiar with each other.
#2 Opponents were by and large stunned by this new invigorated Everton who suddenly could not only pass teams off the pitch, they could also find ways of scoring goals and winning football matches.
This changed this season when managers multi laterally decided to ask RM ' OK what else do you have in your locker?
The answer has been an emphatic ' nothing, nout, bloody
zilch '
and word has really got around now that 'hey this guy ain't got a plan b '
6.) 23 Mar 2015 18:10:20
I agree with johnny we need to back Roberto and judge next season. It's been a terrible season but hopefully lessons have been learned from it. Roberto is a young manager who has made mistakes and always acts dignified I am certain he will tell the players behind closed doors what he thinks. I still believe the players are playing for him. I think next season will be phenomenal (lol) no Thursday games which will make us strong in the league. We should give the likes of ledson, browning etc some games before end of season and hopefully they can add to squad next year with stones, McCarthy, Barkley and Lukaku. All players to have a break in the summer and start the season with some optimism.
7.) 23 Mar 2015 19:32:29
Sorry Robbie, but that argument does not stand up. El Bob has been a professional club manager since 2007. If he has not grasped the basics by now then he isn't going to do so. If he was inclined to learn from his mistakes, I would suggest Wigan would still be in the PL.
{Ed025's Note - fair point wedge..
8.) 24 Mar 2015 09:05:13
Wedgewood/Ed so if you are a manager for 8 yrs that's it you know everything? It's a ongoing education and all managers make mistakes and learn from them. Ferguson made mistakes with a few signings etc moyes got found out and people try and stop your threat like they tried to block baines and piennar then we put fellaini up top to hold ball up it's all about finding solutions and I have confidence Roberto will. But some are just on the bandwagon and constantly being negative and give no credit at all.
9.) 24 Mar 2015 14:24:37
Robbie, First and foremost I am not on any bandwagon, and as for charges of negativity, well that seems to be leveled at anyone who is concerned about the club and does not buy into the "everything will be okay if we ignore it" School of positive thought. The reality is a problem will not go away unless it is identified and fixed.
Obviously no one on the planet knows everything about any given subject and we all carry on learning through life and careers. My point is how long does it take to learn the basics of your trade no matter what it is? The man has been in management for 8 years, how long does it take to learn how to defend? Considering he was professional player for 14 years before that. So after 22 years in the professional game (not including youth level) Is it not reasonable to expect him to be able to understand the basics of how a team should defend?
His time at Wigan is ignored by some because they say Wigan was not an established PL team and credit him with being some kind of genius in keeping them up. Wigan were in the PL for 8 years in the first 2 under Paul Jewel they conceded 52 and 59 goals respectively. In the second 2 years under Steve Bruce they conceded 51 and 45. in the following 4 seasons under El Bob they conceded 79, 61, 62 and 73. The fact is, he took over a team that finished 11th in the PL, had them shipping 15 to 34 more goals a season and toying with relegation until it finally happened.
Now after 2 years with Everton he has turned one of the best defences in the PL into one of the worst. How much time and ongoing learning process does this man need to figure out if you keep shipping goals you are going to be in big trouble?
To learn from a mistake first you have to admit there is one, something that does not seem to have happened. In fact he seems oblivious to the fact that anything is wrong at all. He has given interviews where he holds his time at Wigan up as a shining example, like it was some kind of success story, when the reality is his time there was a total disaster for them (FA Cup win aside.) Those are not the actions of man young or old learning from his mistakes.
If you want to risk the future of Everton FC on this man having a moment of clarity, admitting his mistakes and putting them right fair comment. I personally and I suspect many others who want him out do not. Not based upon dislike of him personally, not based on any bandwagon, but based upon our showing this season and his past record.
10.) 24 Mar 2015 18:33:43
''Not based upon dislike of him personally''
Wedgewood: this I believe is a key factor in the 'pro RM faction' stance i.e. their posturing and attitude towards the 'anti RM faction'
Imho there is no issue at all with him as a person outside of a football context .
However there is now genuine worry and concern over his professional aptitude .
I personally do not think for one minute he is a natural leader in the competitive high powered world of the Premier League .
11.) 24 Mar 2015 19:40:07
I respect your opinion Wedgwood, I think a lot of the poor defending has been individual mistakes this season. As I say it is up to Roberto to look at at the end of the season and change or find solutions. We are a club that gives managers time and don't want to go down the route of hiring and firing each season. I can only give my thought, opinions and hopes and rightly or wrongly I believe!
{Ed025's Note - roberto is marmite at the moment robbie, i dont like sacking managers willy nilly either mate, but can we afford to have another season like this? i dont think so..
12.) 24 Mar 2015 21:06:03
Robbie, I respect your opinion also, to be honest with you I hope for all our sakes your opinion is right, as I do not see the board sacking the man, so in that context I honestly do hope that I am wrong and he does change things around.
That said, like you all I can do is give my opinion as I see it, and on that I am in agreement with blue 24/7 in regards that my opposition to el bob is purely football based, his ability or lack of it to do what is needed and a genuine fear for the future of the club.
{Ed025's Note - im with you wedge..
29 Nov 2013 10:37:00
So RM has come out and said that Baines is not leaving in January so can we all stop talking like he has already been sold.
06 Nov 2013 08:57:52
Is anyone else slightly concerned by Evertonion's thinking that we are all but guaranteed 3 points on saturday Yes we should beat Palace but no game in the premiership is easy so far I have heard start jelevic so he can get a couple of goals drop distan for stones start Deulofeu over kev M.
I would stick with our strongest first eleven then if we go a couple of goals up the make changes the only thing I would consider changing is macarthy as he is on a tighrope and we need him for the game against the redrubbish.
1.) 06 Nov 2013 09:49:08
There are no easy 3 points in the prem anymore mate, have not heard nayone yet myself but probably will before the match.
I agree with starting with the strongest team myself
2.) But do we risk playing Macca and potentially losing him for the derby in a game we SHOULD win without him, although, that said, we shouldn't take Palace lightly. Macca will be vital for the derby, we will need that bite and energy in midfield against the dark side. It's a headache for El Bob
3.) 06 Nov 2013 22:52:07
simple isn't it? play osman as much as I dislike him
Mike-Ox Long
4.) Palace are a poor team, didn't improve enough on the squad and its showing
5.) Osman has not been great, but I have been a fan for many years, apart from this season. he has never been pacy, very rarely loses control of the ball, his first touch is as good as anyone's in the league and normally gains him that extra yard and he pops up with some vital goals, play him in mid I am more that confident he would do the job.
this season though. he seems way off the pace, as does a few players recently
24 Sep 2013 10:38:01
Just thought I would throw this out there everyone said David Moyes had Everton overachieving since he came to us well does anyone else think that he held us back and we actually could of achieved so much more with a more attacking manager I respect Mr Moyes for turning us into regular top 8 team but I feel he kept us from progressing look at the football we are playing so far without really conceding too many goals.
under Moyes we would of lost last Saturday that I am sure about
1.) I think Moyes instilled a mental toughness into players along with a great work and team ethic. He would not toletate premadonnas, pretty much like Alex Ferguson.
For me I think Everton have just lacked a clinical goalscorer and to my mind although you need top players, they have to buy into the managers style, team set up and rotation policy without spitting the dummy. The more cohesive and understanding you are of each others play then the better the team is. This not only goes for on the field or training paddock, but socially too. A TEAM is a big word, because it means an awful lot and like one of the posters yesterday stated RM gets Everton. He gets what the club is about on and off the field and no doubt sets high standards.He has had a great start to life as a Toffee and long may it continue, but let's keep our feet on the ground and do what we do best no matter if your a regular at games or from further a field. The team need us now, but will also need us when we also have a bad day at the office.
Granted DM has left a sour taste in the mouth in the way he tried to deal with us, but it was time for him to fly the nest. I do wish him the best, because he is now under the worldwide spotlight. He just needs to remember that it was Everton that gave him his shot. {Ed025's Note - good and fair post that AW mate..
2.) He took us as far as he could but we should be thankful he got us this far
3.) Your bitterness against moyes is so obvious, remember against man city when everton was a man down.Did moyes back down?no
Moyes set the team to counter attack which paid off with jelavic scoring.
4.) I think moyes did well for us but I think he should have done a lot better . He had a chairman that obviously worshipped him and give him free reign which most modern day managers don't thave the privilege of. We all know what games he bottled it, semi finals etc but it was the league games a old Trafford, spurs, arsenal that even when we were in front we would sit back and the goals would be conceded. But I think now when I look back it was the negativity of the man. The poor everton punching above their weight and instead of biggin up his players he would say that baines isn't as good as cole but is getting there or how Barkley doesn't do the right thing in certain areas. For me I loved him but after the recent comments and attitude and the total breath of fresh air Roberto has brought to the club I can see a real future in store for us evertonians.l oh I forgot moyes was on £70k a week for the privilege the person ha ha
Albo
26 Jul 2015 10:38:19
as your saying it looks like stones is on his way what is your source because I have only seen it in the rags and to be honest they try to sell our players every transfer window until its on the website or confirmed via ssn don't believe everything you read.
22 Jul 2015 21:07:59
the only reason Roberto said something was because the press were asking him questions maybe your Small plastic fans who like waving flags should learn No means No but no doubt your gangster owner will bid so much money Bill will accept the bid and make it public 1 minute before deadline day ends.
15 Feb 2015 16:43:20
so I sound like roberto because i'm not all doom and gloom we have started looking like a team again if you want me to start screaming roberto out it will not happen yet. last season you all loved him now after what most knew would be a extremely difficult season you want us to sack our manager behave yourselves
12 Feb 2015 08:11:24
behave yourself before last night 3 clean sheets on the run and unbeaten in 6 ok we have not won many in those six but we are looking a much better team again if we had not conceded so late fans would be saying good result defended really well if it was not for cech we would of been winning the game by then. then a big call went against us barry is a liability and was always going to get sent of at some point but the ref missed ivanavic putting his head in then he was involved in the winning goal sometimes you need a bit of luck and ours ran out in the 88th minute in roberto we trust we are everton so stop with the out shouts and support the man and the team
When you say heard you mean read in the sunday people sounds like lazy journalism to me he was Sunderlands best player last season
26 Jul 2015 13:14:56
I expected us to finish around 10th with us being in the Europa league history shows teams struggle for league form when in it and what's wrong with Leon Osman he has been a fantastic player for years and can still effect games when coming off the bench.
I wouldn't say Cleverly is terrible not the kind of player we all wanted but he now plays for us and he will get my full support basically these players will of learnt a lot last season along side Roberto so I hope we are challenging top 5 this season we have the squad to do it.
26 Jul 2015 11:02:46
thats the next test they keep coming out saying we don't have to sell so let's see them say no as much as I don't like Liverpoo when it comes to selling players they dig there heals in and only sell if it benefits themselves this is what we have to do the players are on long term contracts and if we don't want to let them go that's it end off
22 Jul 2015 21:12:10
thats the biggest disappointment why isn't kenwright or roberto coming out and defending our club they should of called a press conference with stones next to them and put this to bed all that is happening is chelsea will continue to turn john stones head oh and I would have Jags on ssn saying how costa and zouma would love it at Everton ha ha
12 Jul 2015 10:09:43
he was immense when he came on but let's not get carried away just yet let's just see how he does in whatever games he gets a chance in
03 Jun 2015 16:31:32
Couldnt agree more with you BlueJohnUns people seem to forget that there has been a contract on the table since Dec and thekid has refused to sign it not sure how that is Robertos fault these same ripping roberto loved him 12 months ago I always said we would finish around tenth due to the europa league