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31 Jan 2025 22:33:58
Stanley Mills - just joined Oxford on a permanent deal. Rather strange one as was highly thought of by the club - wonder if his recent injury has played a part in him being sold.

Gingerdan

{Ed025's Note - i had high hopes for him Dan..


1.) 31 Jan 2025 23:22:11
Really surprised by that news. Everyone spoke of him quite highly.


2.) 31 Jan 2025 23:45:22
More of that ‘Pure Profit’ money coming in.


3.) 01 Feb 2025 00:10:29
Shows the gulf between what we are told are the promising ones and the 1st team. Since Rhino left the youth sides have been neglected. Hopefully a lot of work in the coming few years by the new owners will plough some genuine improvements in the youth programs. As a resident of Oxford he did very well but they're now in the Championship and that's a leap from the time he was playing in L1. I personally feel they're currently about as high as they're going to get and wouldn't be surprised to see them slip back to L1 in a season or 2 as there are some giants in the championship and frankly Oxford are punching above themselves. It's not like the Joey Beauchamp years of the mid late 90s. If he flourishes then fare play to him and the U's but he's miles from what we need at the moment. And from a player point of view I respect he wants first team football. He'd likely kick about in the reserves until we released him if he stayed. Good move for all parties.


4.) 01 Feb 2025 00:39:11
Me too, I hope there is a first option buy back in the deal.


5.) 01 Feb 2025 11:54:52
The alternative perspective is that these players were hyped up in terms of potential by they previous regime as a means off justifying themselves.

Maybe the new regime has identified that players need to be hitting certain benchmarks but certain stages of their career.

I'd forgotten the name to be honest, so maybe he just didn't progress any further.


 

 

19 Jul 2024 11:20:01
Friedkin group not completing takeover!

That’s quite worrying as probably something significant come up in due diligence.

What’s the future of the club now?

Gingerdan

1.) 19 Jul 2024 11:27:18
It’s incredibly worrying. What have they found?


2.) 19 Jul 2024 11:31:02
Gutted. Thought this would sort out the club.

What skeleton have they found? Or is this Moshiri messing about?


3.) 19 Jul 2024 11:34:38
Something seriously wrong with this club.
Yet another kick in the guts for supporters. Just waiting for the ground to start subsiding now and finish us off.


4.) 19 Jul 2024 11:43:10
Unbelievable.


5.) 19 Jul 2024 11:44:19
Something to do with the loan from 777/ A Cap and its legality. It’s quite unbelievable. Is Usmanov lurking in the background….


 

 

12 Jun 2024 20:18:43
Anyone else starting to feel that the takeover is going to go horribly wrong?

Seeing rumours that A-cap are now in a strong position as Moshiris preferred bidders even though numerous issues with them.

Just have a feeling he’ll grant exclusivity to another outfit that won’t be able to complete the deal and the genuine interested parties will have enough and pull out.

May just be being pessimistic but the way moshiri has acted so far suggests he won’t make the right decision.

Gingerdan

{Ed025's Note - i did tell you all this was not an open and shut case Dan, i got called a miserable sod for saying it wont be as easy as people were thinking mate, i hope im wrong of course but where money is concerned it always bring the worst out of people in my experience..


1.) 13 Jun 2024 06:09:46
Think we all feel that Ed. Loon at Ashley at Newcastle; it’s a similar situation in my eyes. We are in for a bumpy ride for sure.

{Ed025's Note - i think you are right BR, lets not think that Moshiri or any of the prospective buyers give one jot about Everton mate, they are all sharks looking for a pay day and if anyone tells you different they are very naive..


 

 

23 Aug 2023 19:30:23
Being reported that MSP have walked away from making their investment in the club.

Makes our financial predicament even more worrying.

Gingerdan

1.) 23 Aug 2023 20:35:51
Straightforward loan apparently. No idea but suspect Moshri is overvaluing the Club. Maybe MSP's diligence found the skeletons.


2.) 23 Aug 2023 21:19:31
FM to restart talks with 777, which is not great at all.


3.) 23 Aug 2023 22:43:48
A Chairman to chicken to turn up to home games, an owner who has no clue about football (probably still taking advice from those whose vested interests are not Everton) and without his Boss it would appear lost on what to do.


4.) 24 Aug 2023 08:40:43
I read it had to do with one of our outstanding loans/ investments. That we can’t take on new investment until that one is paid off or something. If that’s the case we’re screwed.


5.) 24 Aug 2023 10:49:39
I read similar but the article kind of eluded to this other loan being like a first charge like a mortgage over a secured loan scenario so if the club went tits up they would get paid out first, which with all the other things hanging over like FFP it could be a possibility
MSP I read wanted this other loan to relinquish that clause
Maybe still room to negotiate and they are leveraging for better terms which are more favourable against the risk.


 

 

06 Jul 2023 19:04:14
Looks like simms is definitely off somewhere as wasn’t at start of pre- season training.

With all the clubs rumoured to be in for him (Coventry, Sunderland, Swansea and a few others) it’ll be interesting to see where he goes and how much we get for him or whether he’s involved in a deal with a player coming our way.

Gingerdan

1.) 06 Jul 2023 19:25:37
Looks like it's Coventry.


2.) 06 Jul 2023 21:00:10
£8million deal agreed with Coventry
For Simms. Gyokeres almost done with sporting. Gets worse.

{Ed025's Note - i think we missed a trick here pierre, surely a deal could have been done somewhere along the line with a player plus cash scenario, or maybe Gyokeres just wanted Sporting mate?..


3.) 06 Jul 2023 21:13:34
The trick we missed was not signing him last summer for under 10 million and signing Maupay instead. If he is wants to go to Sporting, and who could blame him, there’s no deal to be done. Been a frustrating few windows now and doesn’t look plain sailing this time either.

{Ed025's Note - im still hoping that we will have a new look side for the forthcoming season JB, mind you i was hoping that the weather girl Jo Blythe would ask me out on a date.. :)


4.) 06 Jul 2023 21:56:02
Why buy Gyokeres who Simms out scored at a worse championship team?
I think he's too slow for the prem and isn't an out and out number 9 which we desperately need.
Maybe in a 2 he could do something but the fact he's been available for weeks and no one else from the prem has had a sniff says it all.
If he was good enough he's the right price for a Brentford, Brighton, West ham or Palace who all need reinforcements up front.
Personally I think he was Frank's choice and it would have gone south if we'd got him last season.
For a similar price, if he was available someone like Broja would be a safer bet.


5.) 06 Jul 2023 22:01:28
Jo Blythe, We all hoped that Ed! As you’ve said, Ed, I’ll reserve judgement until mid August, when hopefully we’ll have bought at least 4 or 5 new players in.

{Ed025's Note - well thats what im hoping for JB, especially the Jo bit.. :)


6.) 06 Jul 2023 22:04:25
Most definitely Ed. I know it’s a gamble buying a player like Gyokeres, but it still feels like we’ve missed something there. And, yet another player leaving the already depleted squad. I know that logic would tell you that they must have realistic targets in mind and are working on them so we don’t start the season in a weaker place than we scraped by last season, but, we are Everton at the end of the day and I’m braces for the worst possible scenario over the next few weeks.

{Ed025's Note - i actually have a good feeling about the forthcoming season pierre, now that might sound daft at the moment but i think...nay hope, that with Sean we can build something that resembles an old school everton side.....or maybe im just turning into....Guernsey Blue.. :)


7.) 06 Jul 2023 22:38:29
Haha, I admire your optimism Ed and I love GB. I hope you’re both right.

{Ed025's Note - so do i mate..


8.) 07 Jul 2023 11:57:41
habe to agree with smit666. iv seen gyökeres play a couple times and he's way to slowconsidering his technical ability isn't the best. 20 million for him is a rip off imo.


9.) 07 Jul 2023 18:28:39
Ed, with no pace the Coventry striker would have been another disaster which we would have been trying to get rid of post haste.
Definitely dodged a bullet there and in all probability Simms will become a better player, so good business done by Coventry.

{Ed025's Note - you could be right fancy, i suppose i just wanted somebody..anybody to get the ball rolling mate, desperation i suppose..


10.) 07 Jul 2023 22:08:13
Everyone is going on like we were actually after him, nobody knows if we were or not, paper talk along with every other Tom dick and harry, just wait and see what happens, couple of sales now, so it's only a matter of time before we actually see some players come in .
Personally Jack Harrison would be a smart move, I'm not convinced the young lad from Leeds is what we need, we need experience to keep us away from the wrong end of the table, so can't rememeber how to spell his name, also what about Dakar of Leicester, has pace and even thou didn't score to many imagine him pick off balls fro. DCL and then some one the other side with Pace and goals we are half way to top 10 ?.


11.) 07 Jul 2023 23:33:47
I’d take Tom, Dick or Harry if any of them can put the ball in the net….


12.) 08 Jul 2023 07:47:04
Gyökeres is a great striker has has got everything that’s needed to be a success in any team or in any league, just the type we desperately needed but it looks like the lad wants to play in Portuguese league
Massive miss for us but maybe it’s better he goes to Europe and not to one of the Premiership rivals.


13.) 09 Jul 2023 13:31:11
Bar pace, Uran, which is something that is needed in the premier league. We will never know now though mate.


 

 

 

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23 Jan 2025 22:23:05
Whilst hope the club strengthen this window we’ve got to remember January is a notoriously difficult time to recruit as any decent players will be wanted to be kept by their clubs as no team wants to weaken themselves mid season.

Players that may be available in January is usually because their teams happy to let them go which speaks volumes in itself.

Or they will be overpriced - something we need to try and avoid with our recruitment as has gotten us in to so much trouble previously.

Whilst would hope for a couple of additions, wouldn’t lose my head over no one coming in due to the nature of the January market.

Hopefully the players returning from injury give the squad and fans a boost.

Gingerdan

1.) 24 Jan 2025 07:03:38
Yeah GD, always a bit panicky buying in January and ott prices. Be nice if could get a couple in just freshen up the squad and give us fans something but not at any cost. As you say with returning players and general uplift after Spurs win think we should have enough to comfortably stay up especially with the bottom 3 not the strongest. All that could change mind if we get a hammering and bad performance at Brighton.


2.) 24 Jan 2025 07:34:37
Think we are turning the corner, get Tim, Garner and McNeil back will really help us.


3.) 24 Jan 2025 07:37:27
Any good players likely to have several clubs after them too so they hold out for best offers in some cases. Something’ll happen.


 

 

30 Dec 2024 10:48:54
Seeing several rumours regarding players being sold in January and possibly one or two to Roma.

However with us now being under the same ownership won’t deals with Roma be quite tricky?

Man Utd were unable to buy Todibo from Nice due to uefa rules relating to multi club ownership.

Surely we’ll be faced with the same issue if we want to do deals between the 2 clubs?

Gingerdan

1.) 30 Dec 2024 16:15:10
I think that was because they were both so playing on the europa league dan.


 

 

04 Aug 2024 22:16:52
Any update on Dele Ali?

He’s released an interesting video today regarding his comeback but it doesn’t say who he’s possibly going to play for with this comeback.

Gingerdan

1.) 05 Aug 2024 08:59:40
still weeks away mate, Dyche said the other day.


 

 

21 Jan 2024 18:40:50
So in the last hour seen we’re about to sign Jesse Lingard until end of the season and we’re about to be hit with a 15pt deduction.

Anyone know if either are true?

Is the 15pts on top of the 10 or includes the 10 we already have?

Gingerdan

1.) 21 Jan 2024 19:17:10
Don’t want Lingard and certainly don’t want another points deduction. Haven’t settled the bloody first one yet.


2.) 21 Jan 2024 20:12:16
Don't think i'm actually bothered anymore, can't see anything changing in football for a long time .
They will keep on paying high wages and transfer fees and we won't be able to compete along with all the other teams outside the top 6
Think I'm going to give it all a miss untill something changes but doubt it it will, money talks,


3.) 21 Jan 2024 20:21:23
No no to both mate.


4.) 22 Jan 2024 08:39:34
They need to sort the appeal out first before they can deal with the second charge.


5.) 22 Jan 2024 09:32:27
Hit with a 15 point deduction for what? We can't be hit with anything else until the second hearing has taken place which will be after the appeal hearing is resolved.


6.) 22 Jan 2024 18:08:26
The second charge can be dealt with before the first appeal. They are for separate accounting years and the second charge includes the year for the first charge.
The punishment has been set and taken off our total, that won't change until the appeal is heard.
The club aren't disputing there has been a breach they are disputing the harshness of the punishment which will have no bearing on the second charge.

If the club think the second punishment is correct and fair then they won't appeal. If it is deemed excessive I am sure they will appeal it. Likewise if they question the breach they will appeal that.


7.) 23 Jan 2024 08:24:50
They might be for separate accounting years but the transgression is the same, so I think it would be in the interest of the entire league that the second charge is considered once the outcome of the appeal in known.


8.) 23 Jan 2024 14:18:28
Don't know about the extra 5 pts but I did read (same article! ) . That Everton have been reducing their wage bill in order to show they can practice prudence. Another Journalist/ writer then says that a fine suits billionaire owners, a points deduction is right and a transfer ban is ridiculous. I think the last statement should be reversed. Surely a transfer ban encourages development of our own.


9.) 23 Jan 2024 18:50:05
A points deduction punishes the fans and puts the entire club in jeopardy. No one denies that we’ve been mismanaged, but when will common sense prevail.


10.) 23 Jan 2024 20:03:52
Read a comment (journalist) that the next punishment would be a disastrous transfer ban. I take the opposite view. A transfer ban for this current we are appealing would have made more sense. I read somewhere that the points deduction for PSR infractions was one the Prem Clubs agreed.


11.) 25 Jan 2024 18:59:28
I thought the maximum punishment was a 12 point deduction?

We’ve already received 10 and I heard the Prem were asking for 6 points for both us and Forrest.

The Prem have agreed that their rules are not fit for purpose and are being changed in August to come into line with UEFA/ FIFA

This is in line with our case of being hit with a double jeopardy being charged with 75% of the offence we’ve already been punished for.

If as i stated above the prem are asking for 6 points deduction for Forrest on their first offence then it would indicate that our 10 points may get reduced to 6

Do the Ed’s know if the 75% of the first charge that is subject of the second charge is 100% of the second charge or there is an additional 25% of misspending in the new years covered?

Hope that makes sense .

Thanks in anticipation.

{Ed002's Note - They are entirely separate matters. They will hear the appeal and then do the second charge where Everton will need to explain why they failed to action knowing they were in breach. Nottingham Forest will attempt to reach a settlement.}


 

 

20 Sep 2023 09:33:02
Lots of reports regards the current financial issues at the club including rumours struggling to pay day to day bills and mention of possibility of administration.
Without getting into the financial details is it as bad as some of the rumours say? And what do you think the future is for the club?
Thanks.

Gingerdan

1.) 20 Sep 2023 12:04:51
I know the board are not talking to us (fans) at the moment but the silence from the club on all of this is only adding fuel to the fire with all these rumours. Good or bad, the fans need to know what’s going on.


2.) 20 Sep 2023 12:33:06
Look Moshiri will not be looking to put any more of his money into the club, therefore he’s looking for loans to get him through. These loans will then be passed on to any potential buyers. Which in turn will be included in the final price for the sale.
Either way he stands to take quite a substantial hit in his pocket.

{Ed025's Note - what is the quickest way to become a millionaire? …be a billionaire then buy Everton.. ?


3.) 20 Sep 2023 12:56:29
You signed a striker for £25 mill less than a month ago.


4.) 20 Sep 2023 13:14:22
On tick LFIP.

Can't score if he doesn't get no service.


5.) 20 Sep 2023 13:46:19
He is strong and can hold the ball good. May be put a few crosses from wide areas. he might nick one. Correct me if i am wrong but isn't how Dyche plays his football?


6.) 20 Sep 2023 14:29:55
Maybe let a couple of players cross the halfway line we might create at least one chance to score if we do can’t score when everyone is parked in their own half.


7.) 20 Sep 2023 14:47:29
Of course we are paying wages and bills. We would have sold our big players in the summer otherwise and brought in nowt. Honestly, give news now, Goodison news, twitter or whoever as none of them know what's really going on.

The transfer window is closed so the papers are bored and doing daily commentary's on recycled stories.


8.) 20 Sep 2023 14:49:07
We've created more big chances than Arsenal and Newcastle this season! However, we've converted the 3rd lowest amount of them!


9.) 20 Sep 2023 14:59:12
Exactly BlueJohn.

The results not been there but the performances V Fulham and Wolves were very good just couldn't score and decent V Sheff Utd.

Arsenal, Villa admittedly woeful.


10.) 20 Sep 2023 15:01:03
I wouldn't in anyway listen to what the gossip pages are saying there's no football to talk bull rubbish about so now this, even Jim white never gets it right, if we are that bad then we should be in the championship now, saying that we still. might just the way we are playing, but still early days.


11.) 20 Sep 2023 15:22:44
We look doomed to put it lightly, one of the first signs of administration is not being able to pay your bills.


12.) 20 Sep 2023 15:40:29
If the rumours are to be believed then it doesn't matter how many points we amass this season, we might end up in administration. If that or relegation happens this year, next season could be the final nail in the coffin. The championship seems to be more stringent than the premier league when it comes to falling foul of the financial rules.
Hopefully, GD, it's not as bad as some news outlets, and I use that word loosely, have made out. Suppose it will all come out in the wash in the coming wks and months mate. It's a bit worrying though and will be until we are told it isn't true. Hopefully!


13.) 20 Sep 2023 15:39:57
No clubs are going to openly discuss their financial position with the fans or anyone else, we are all well aware of the club’s financial situation, the FFP issue has acted as a smoke screen, not allowing us to just simply lash out the cash on players, the truth is we couldn’t anyway, the owners keeps topping up the cash flow for what is needed on a monthly basis to save it from going into administration but it’s not his problem anymore, the fans wanted him out now he’s wants out, he has lost a fortune no doubt about that.


14.) 20 Sep 2023 15:54:55
Go and take back all the money kenwright has taken out of the club that would be a start.


15.) 20 Sep 2023 16:05:21
For LFC contributors, some of you seem to have a very short, and convenient memory.
Under hicks and gelett Liverpool came within 48hours of going into administration, saved by the bell, by the banks intervention.


16.) 20 Sep 2023 17:04:59
Ed it's all about other peoples money. Show me a poor Socialist. The person you think of as a millionaire is poor as a Church Mouse and pays no to little tax, others hold tjeir coats.


 

 

 

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04 Feb 2025 17:43:06
BB - Agree if you don’t like something it’s not necessary that you hate it. My comment regards hate towards him was mainly to do with the posts on X (Twitter) where he’s getting pelters and clearly hate from quite a few accounts. In here it’s mainly ambivalence towards him.

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04 Feb 2025 15:06:41
I don’t get the hate for Thelwell - personally feel he’s done well given the circumstances around the club, psr, managers, meddling owner.

He hasn’t got all his deals right, but if he’s as bad as some are making out then how are his signings playing so well for us since Moyes took over?

Lindstrom, Gueye, Tarkowski, Beto, O’Brien, Ndiaye, Garner all signed by him and all played well the other day.

He also signed Mangala, McNeil and Young who have all performed well for us.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he is given a new contract, particularly if he develops a good working relationship with Moyes.

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30 Jan 2025 13:34:22
Elvis - we all want us to strengthen but it’s notoriously difficult to get any decent additions in January - it is also not as easy as football manager on the PC where you can buy anyone you like.

Team has to want to sell, player has to want to move, fee or structure of deal has to suit both teams, player has to be the right fit for the recruiting team, PSR unfortunately also has to be taken in to account - so not straightforward to get all these things to line up.

Imagine there are several players we could have recruited but we have to recruit players we need not just because they’re available.

Would you rather 3 players come in we don’t need or don’t fit the squad or we have no players come in?

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19 Jan 2025 23:35:20
Totally understand fans have differing opinions that’s what it’s all about.

However we need to move away from sentiment with recruitment.

Can easily compare his spell at spurs with his time at us and the biggest thing is he missed 19 games through injury in 4 seasons for us, however has missed 47 games in 3 seasons for Spurs!

That’s nothing to do with players ahead of him and competition to get in the side it’s his injury record.

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19 Jan 2025 22:04:03
What is it with fans wanting him back?

He was great for us, but since he left he’s been nowhere near as good.

He also has got a terrible injury record with Spurs.

We need to find the next “Richarlison” not try and bring back the current one.

Need to move on from being Sentimental FC.

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04 Feb 2025 14:19:16
I’m of the other thinking that Thelwell has done fairly well for us whilst with us given the constraints of psr, the changing of managers and the meddling owner.

Would like to see him given a chance with proper backing and working with Moyes to build this squad - if he’s as bad as some are making out then how have we won our last 3 games with 7 of his signings playing in those games?

Lindstrom, Ndiaye, o’Brien, Beto, Garner, Gueye and Tarkowski were all great in the last game.

McNeil has been decent, Mangala one of our best players this season before injury, iroegbubam and chermiti got potential.

He’s made some poor signings as well, however I feel those are outweighed by the good ones based on circumstances faced with.

All a matter of opinions as lots of negativity towards him and even more so since window closed and we only signed one player - odd as fans moaning we haven’t bought anyone would be the first ones to moan if we bought duds in.

Need to buy players to improve us not just pad out the squad.

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02 Feb 2025 22:13:37
I’m confused by the loan situation also - however I think if there’s an obligation to buy in them it makes them slightly different - could be wrong on this though.

Gingerdan

{Ed025's Note - its all gobbledygook to me as well Dan, god i really miss ED002 at times mate..


 

 

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02 Feb 2025 18:53:51
Not for me.

He was really good when with us but he doesn’t seem the same player anymore and he’s had a few injuries.

Wish him all the best but wouldn’t want him back - need to find the next Richarlison - which hopefully could be Ndiaye.

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31 Jan 2025 13:08:15
Stanley Mills is highly thought of but has only just returned from a significant injury so would say too early for him to step up to the first team.

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31 Jan 2025 11:09:56
BJU - you hit the nail on the head with your final comment “if the right players aren’t there, then just wait”

Unfortunately feel a few fans heads will fall off if we don’t sign anyone.

We all want the team to strengthen but if the right players aren’t available makes little sense signing players just to increase squad size if they’re not the right ones - however some fans don’t seem to grasp this.

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