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13 Mar 2018 15:01:03
Just been thinking about the meeting that went on with SA and Moshiri.

We know that talks have definitely taken place between the two, and that has been confirmed by SA. It is also strongly rumoured that SW also went to London for talks with Moshiri at the same time.

I think they were being informed that Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone were in fact standing down and that was why SA could not say anything other than stating it was confidential, I do not think that SA or SW's futures at Everton were discussed.

1.) 13 Mar 2018 15:58:51
I hope that you are wrong Grumpy. SA and SW should have been told that significant improvement is required both in recruitment and on field performance.

2.) 13 Mar 2018 17:19:42
That did cross my mind BlueMike but then I thought that would of been done at finch farm with Bill present, We can only speculate mate.

3.) 13 Mar 2018 16:57:56
Who knows Grumpy, perhaps with Kenwright and Elstone there Walsh and Alardyce have been somewhat hamstrung in their aims. I still believe that Mr Walsh is a good Scout and that the DoF role is beyond his pay grade but perhaps if Messers Kenwright and Elstone do go one roadblock will have been removed. All of this of course is just conjecture on our part. We shall see what we shall see come season end.

4.) 13 Mar 2018 19:36:58
Hamstrung? Walsh has spent over 200million and Allardyce 27 million.
They've hardly been hamstrung.

5.) 14 Mar 2018 07:07:56
They might have been told about Kenwright and Elstone but their next question would have been 'What about us - how does it affect us? ' and I don't believe Moshiri wouldn't have told them they are gone end of season
No reason to bring them down to just tell them about the other two as could as easily been told by Kenwright or Elstone.

6.) 14 Mar 2018 12:57:00
This meeting was before the game at the weekend right? Maybe he - Sam - was told in no uncertain terms that results had to improve hence the complete u-turn in tactics that won us the game? Who knows. As DFS said it's all conjecture atm.



11 Mar 2018 12:03:56
Yesterdays result should of secured safety for us. Over the last 22 years the average amount of points needed was 36.6 and we now have 37. I say should because in 2003 West Ham were relegated with 42 points.

We band around 40 points as being the magic number required to stay up yet since the 95/ 96 season only 4 teams have needed 40 or more points to stay up. We ourselves avoided relegation on goal difference to Bolton, both of us had 40 points in the 97/ 98 season, with Sunderland going down the previous season again with 40 points.

This season 38 points will guarantee, or should guarantee safety, With our remaining fixtures and the fixtures of those below us I feel we have enough now, but it would be nice to to secure safety and ease the pressure we are all feeling. 1 draw in the next 8 games is what we require to be safe.

1.) 11 Mar 2018 13:33:39
Good post mate enjoyed reading that.

2.) 11 Mar 2018 15:54:35
Thanks GB mate, Just thought it worth posting to show we are almost there (safe).

3.) 11 Mar 2018 16:40:02
Sorry mate one poster doesn't think its a good post, Strange.

4.) 11 Mar 2018 17:11:43
I think people just like to press do not agree on everything, if you put this week we played in blue some would disagree even if we did.

5.) 11 Mar 2018 18:34:26
Love it mate.

6.) 11 Mar 2018 19:26:22
We are safe, said on a previous post we seem to be getting results at Goodison, Sam knew the Brighton game was the one, after witnessing the away support at Burnley, I really believe Sam took notice and wisely left Schnids away from the squad, put in the experienced Baines and Jags, put both Siggerson and Rooney on, even affording Klassen a run out, Sam knew it was a must win game and for once, I really believe he went with a set up that’s the fans have been asking for rather than his previous pig headed selections, it worked, same again at Stoke, don’t make too many changes.

7.) 11 Mar 2018 20:20:30
It doesn't bother me GB, as Simon has said some people just like to disagree no matter what. Not too difficult to work out who they are though.

8.) 11 Mar 2018 21:02:22
I thought so too Bignev however it turns out Schneiderlin was I'll and so was Gana. Big Sam hasn't learnt anything, his changes were forced not a stroke of genius.

9.) 11 Mar 2018 22:34:03
Let’s see what happens in the next few games, just my opinion but neither Schnids or Williams should ever wear the Everton shirt again, both liabilities.



11 Feb 2018 11:33:39
Good to see some positive posts on here, Posts that actually encourage participation instead of the constant moaning and false information that has become the "norm" on here as of late.

Did anyone else notice a big change in Pickford yesterday? He seemed a lot more aggressive in his saves, he was no longer happy just parrying the ball with his saves he was determined to clear the ball away from the danger area, every save he made he was pushing the ball away, good keeping in my book.

Yesterday showed why SA is a manager and we are not. Had some of you been listened to then Martina would no longer be with us nor would Sigi, Theo would not of been signed, Rooney would of been dropped and been retired off. Sometimes in life we all make stupid demands but that does not make us stupid people, what does make us stupid is when we continuously make those stupid demands.

Since SA has taken over we have only conceded 6 goals at home, 2 of those have been penalties, that is a massive improvement over both DU and RK, in fact over the same time span SA has more than doubled the average points per game (home and away) than RK. Now you can hit me with a bat and a rusty nail if that is not an improvement.

A lot of you have all of a sudden over the last week, been saying how much you supported SA when he first joined, Now I know I'm an old grumpy git but my memory is not that bad, The sheer malice has been here from the day he signed, many if not most have never supported him in the slightest. Some of you in fairness have given him a chance but for every positive post they make it tends to get drowned out by so many negative posts that trawling through them becomes tedious.

It has never been a secret that I have supported SA from the very beginning nor is it a secret that I will continue to support him until he gets replaced, He is our manager and will remain so until the powers that be decide otherwise. The fact that I do support does not mean that he was my first choice nor does it mean that I feel he is our long term solution but I do think he is the right choice for stabilising the club and getting it ready for a better manager to take over in the future. That is going to take at the very least another season. It may not pleasant but neither are most medicines.

I had decided in my in-formate wisdom not to post here again for the rest of the season and to only show up in live chat (which really is good, more of you should pop in on match days we always have some great debates) . Smit666 and GB have convinced me to return here and I would like to thank both of them for doing so. Now you all know who to blame for my return.

1.) 11 Feb 2018 12:05:38
Hi Grumpy mate agree with you there 100% your post above sums us up to a tee, we have to get behind whoever is in charge and give em our total support, if Big Sam is moved on in the summer and Mr Moshiri brings in Fonesca or whoever then we will get behind them the same, We are Everton and we are better than a lot of posters on here try to make us, great to have you on here mate good posts as always KEEP IT UP, cheers.

2.) 11 Feb 2018 12:39:58
Thanks GB mate.

My take on it is if we support Everton then MUST include everyone from the owners to the toffee lady, From the stewards to the tea ladies, Form EITC to all of the back room staff. We may not like the tea the tea lady makes, but we will make do until another comes along and in the mean time we will support her, Why? because she is part of Everton.

3.) 11 Feb 2018 12:54:47
Easy post after a good result and decent showing mate. I know what your saying, yes we need to show support to the whole club. But a lot of the things said on here are people letting off steam after abysmal displays which you can't blame them for. Plus people theorise what's gone wrong what could be better, there is no problem with that as that is our perogative as fans and is part of this site. This is a site were people can voice there opinions and negative opinions are opinions. I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others.

4.) 11 Feb 2018 12:56:23
i swear to god i saw these same type of posts after the leeicester win yet after we got mauled at arsenal everyone turned the heat back on
one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season.

5.) 11 Feb 2018 13:00:03
You are right there mate, put money on tho you will get some thumbs down lol.

6.) 11 Feb 2018 13:17:16
BlueTit mate, can you not see the irony in what you said, " I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " yet it seems acceptable to push the negativity onto others. the current trend seems to be to accept negativity and not to be positive.

Evertonthings you are right " one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season " and the key here is that is has been happening all season (your words not mine) , The problems we have were already here before SA joined us. Facts do not lie, at home we are far better under SA than we were under both RK and DU for the same amount of games. So I am sure that even the most ardent SA hater will have to agree that we are 50% there.

7.) 11 Feb 2018 13:52:40
Of course they were here Grumpy mate before Big Sam ever set foot in the doors of Everton, some posters just will not grasp and accept it shame really, but you know the old saying the truth always hurts mate.

8.) 11 Feb 2018 15:33:26
Opinions are opinions, posters are posters, eds are eds and we are all blues. Nothing will change and I love the input on here from everyone whether I think it is right or wrong. These posts make me think in other ways sometimes and I like that.
Welcome back Grumpy.

9.) 11 Feb 2018 15:45:57
Thanks Smit mate you are exactly right. There are no right or wrong opinions but there are many that are different to how we perceive things.

None of my posts are intended to upset others, but I do try and give an alternative view on things and will always try and get people to think outside the box a little.

The biggest change in the club that has happened is the fan base, maybe it is time for us old farts to move aside, because sadly we do not really fit in anymore.

10.) 11 Feb 2018 15:50:41
Too right mate good banter is good for everyone.

11.) 11 Feb 2018 17:59:55
You will always got in grumpy.

12.) 11 Feb 2018 19:20:19
You know I disagree with you Grumpy mate, but I love your post, it would be boring if we all think the same.

13.) 11 Feb 2018 19:25:17
opinions are the best thing mate.

14.) 11 Feb 2018 20:46:38
Cheers Stig mate, missed you in live chat yesterday, hope all is well your end mate.

15.) 11 Feb 2018 22:13:53
Brilliant original post Grumpy. Totally agree with everything you said.

16.) 12 Feb 2018 10:47:12
Thanks NBTB mate.

17.) 12 Feb 2018 12:15:10
Honestley mate, I see no irony whatsoever in what i said.

18.) 12 Feb 2018 15:50:25
Sorry Blue-tit mate you're right I meant hypocrisy, no idea why I said irony sorry.

19.) 13 Feb 2018 07:42:49
Grumpy you keep mentioning about "preparing the club for a better manager. What is it you mean by this exactly? Do you think all clubs should use a prep manager? because when most clubs sack a manager it's because things aren't going well so is everyone else missing a trick in not using a prep manager to get the club ready to appoint a good manager?

20.) 13 Feb 2018 09:42:37
Lets not be pedantic Toffeewavey you Know exactly what I mean.

21.) 13 Feb 2018 15:27:27
Nor do i see any hypocrisy.

22.) 13 Feb 2018 17:11:55
Let me explain.

You seem to find it ok to put negative views regarding SA onto people yet at the same time tell people who are putting positives views onto people they are wrong for doing it.

That Sir is hypocrisy.

" I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " (your words mate not mine)

23.) 13 Feb 2018 17:43:14
Grumpy I think you are fighting a losing battle on this one, but I completely agree with you. Everton fans are a fickle bunch.
We had a manager that loved to play attacking football so much so that he never closed a game out in Martinez, the fans moaned and we got rid.
We then got in a "Future Barcelona" manager and that turned to crap.
Now we have a manager that is practical, and taken us from bottom 3 to 2 points from 7th and that is not good enough.
I just wish fans would make up their minds what they want.

24.) 13 Feb 2018 18:57:20
I think you're right Sidneytheblue I am fighting an un - winnable battle but I have enjoyed the fight.

Got to think of something for next week now mate.

25.) 13 Feb 2018 22:43:14
I didn't push negative views onto anybody. I just made a comment and your being pissy about it because its wasnt fully agreeing with your opinion. that's sir is being a pretentous srcastic little boy (or girl) .

26.) 14 Feb 2018 08:59:23
Here we go.

Blue-tit here is another fact for you. When any kind of debate reaches the stage that one of the parties strays away from the original subject matter and resorts to personal attacks, that person has run out of anything constructive to say.

Debate is now closed for me.

{Ed025's Note - good idea..

27.) 17 Feb 2018 13:17:15
My original post was made in soft manner. You called me hypocrtitical in a pretentious manner. I called that out. You were being 'pissy' I called it out. You can't be abraisive and act like the response is out of turn. Now, its closed for me.

28.) 17 Feb 2018 17:31:20
It's like being back in the school playground on here sometimes. 🙃😋.



16 Jan 2018 16:19:51
Theo having medical.

1.) 16 Jan 2018 17:55:30
Excellent news mate, on to the next one for Big Sam to bring in,

2.) 16 Jan 2018 18:21:49
Looks like he isn't mate you have a thumbs down, beyond me mate.

3.) 16 Jan 2018 19:48:16
lol got 4 thumbs down that he is having a medical. Must be the closet Liverpool fans mate, be a lot more if it was people who don't like me on here lol.

4.) 16 Jan 2018 19:58:20
Love it mate made me laugh, ooohhh.

5.) 16 Jan 2018 20:37:09
Grumps and Guernsey, your only playing at it mate, I got a nine thumbs down and a minus one in thumbs up, must be a record, still let's not be negative this is almost fame, made me laugh too.

6.) 16 Jan 2018 20:43:56
Wow mate got some catching up to do then cheers.

7.) 16 Jan 2018 21:40:44
Got to admit 9 is not too bad.

I once got a thumbs down when saying R. I. P to someone who had passed away. Myself and Guernsey tend to get them all of the time lol.



08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.

1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.

2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.

3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..

4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.

5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.

7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.




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13 Apr 2018 21:57:36
My Mum, 2 sisters my brother myself along with our children are truly humbled by the response and good will we have received from the members of this forum, I now know why dad always talked fondly about this place. All of our kids (Grumpy's grand children) have learnt a valuable lesson, By sticking with what you believe in, even when standing apart from others, will always gain you respect in the long run. If this post goes off on a tangent that is because there are 4 of us trying to write it, Mum, Jackie, Jane and myself. Words fail us in trying to express our gratitude to each and every one of you. I see the posts about dad have now reached a full page on here, dad would have a lump in his throat reading them and be embarrassed at the same time, he didn't like fuss.
Someone asked for some insight into dad and after everything you have all done we feel it is the least we can do. Dad was born in Bootle and lived there until he was about 9 or 10 then moved to Speke, he kept saying to us kids he was born in the rubble and had a house brick for a pillow. I do not really know when he went to his first match as he always told us he was born an Evertonian. He would go to almost every home game and about half the away games every season, his party trick was to recite the full squad from any year people chose.
I don't know if he ever told you but when he is not at a game he listens on the radio and when Everton Score he did the "Conga". Mum told us that a sales rep from dolphin showers was at the house one day and dad had the match playing softly in the background, she said Everton scored and dad jumped up grabbed this poor salesman and started doing the conga. If you saw the size of dad you will see how he managed it, he was very very big. No matter what after doing the conga he would start laughing and it was so infectious you could not help but join in. In the 80's and 90's dad had a couple of businesses and every Saturday when Everton were playing he would get the staff a lot of drinks, that is those who attended. Part of the conditions were they had to recite the current Everton squad, those that did not would have to continue working and not be allowed a drink.
Dad loved playing devils advocate and always had the ability to see what he thought others had missed, he was so passionate about Everton that he refused point blank to hear anything bad about them. I could go on forever.
The one thing I do know is that when dad touched your life his way and manner would grow on you, I know he was my dad but he was the nicest, fairest and most genuine person I have ever known. I should be holding my head high with pride, instead we all feel devastated.
Thank you again

{Ed001's Note - at least that explains a lot, no wonder he was Grumpy if he was from Bootle! Which part was he from?}

1.) 13 Apr 2018 22:25:47
Thanks Tony, appreciate the post. Good luck to all of the Grumpy family,

{Ed003's Note - God bless you all, Everton fans/ footie rumours posters have lost a great man x }

2.) 13 Apr 2018 23:01:25
God Tony your defiantly Grumpytoffee's son. That was some post. Glad you posted it. As I said on my previous post I'm sure everyone would like to hear from you every so often if you can drop in to leave a post. Much love and respect to the original :-)

{Ed003's Note - Good shout}

3.) 14 Apr 2018 00:40:24
One of the best posts ever it brought a tear to my eyes, god bless you all x.

4.) 14 Apr 2018 02:14:09
if it's any consolation i will always have respect for your father for not budging on what he truly believed in, especially in this day and age where people value acceptance from society rather than fearlessly expressing themselves, please take this as a lesson from your dear (grand) father :)

5.) 14 Apr 2018 08:40:15
My goodness. I’m not ashamed to say that I’m crying my eyes out reading this. What a man!

Thanks Tony for helping us to see what a real man your Dad was. Looks like you have many more fond memories to cherish.

6.) 14 Apr 2018 08:59:44
Ace. Tears flowing here too.

Tony, thanks for all info. Just a shame we couldn't meet up with him and have a debate over few pints. Would have been fun. Seemed a lovely man and a wonderful husband, father and grandfather. The blues have lost another good one.
Hope he sending some good vibes down here today to help us beat Swansea. If we win I'll certainly be dedicating it to our grumpy.

Again condolences to the family and we'll all try to keep his spirit alive through these pages.

7.) 14 Apr 2018 10:42:25
Haven't been on here for a couple of days and just seen this news. Very sad but thanks for posting all that, Tony. Best wishes to you and your family.

8.) 14 Apr 2018 11:44:37
Thankyou for sharing Grumpies life with us he certainly was some man, i am sure he will be with us from up there this afternoon as we watch the match and debate what's going on as he always did on a Sat, RIP Grumpy mate you were a true gent.

9.) 14 Apr 2018 12:51:11
God bless you all. Here’s hoping the Blues can win today for Grumpy, then we can all do the conga in his memory, I’m sure he will be laughing then! RIP Grumpy.

10.) 14 Apr 2018 16:00:01
Great post Tony. Grumpy was a special guy and his posts will be missed by everyone on here I am sure. Keep up the great posts.

11.) 14 Apr 2018 18:16:39
Really touching words lump in the throat and tears in the eyes. We all know he had his views on here which he expressed in a considered way with Everton at heart but sounds like a top person and a great family man. You should all be proud.

12.) 14 Apr 2018 19:03:21
And this is why we are Everton, we are a family and we don't need to meet in person to feel saddened at the loss of one of our own. I always enjoyed Grumpys posts and his stance was nothing short of stubborn and after what you said about him Tony I now see why, he was a true Evertonian. Keep up the tradition your dad set and post your views, not everyone will agree with them but I guess that's what kept your dad coming back, he had his views and always stood by his posts. Will miss his posts and thoughts are with you and your family at this sad time.

13.) 14 Apr 2018 20:00:44
Just on here from the Liverpool site. Never saw Grumpys posts but he sounds like an incredible character and a very sad loss.

We may be rivals from across the park, but we are also a family.

My thoughts, condolences and best wishes go out to you and yours, and I hope you continue the family tradition on these boards (and ours) mate.

RIP Grumpy.



12 Apr 2018 16:38:07

Dad (Grumpytoffee) passed away yesterday morning 11th April aged 75.
He had been fighting tumours in his brain for the last 18 month. He alaways loved a battle and never knew when to give up, he battled with his illness for 14 months longer than the doctors originally gave him, he said that he could hold his head up high when he knocked on the pearly gates because of that fight.
I tried to let you know yesterday but everytime I came on to do so I would read his messages of support from people on here and found it increasingly difficult to tell you he has lost his fight.
He never actually managed to take mum upto Scotland and we know he will find it hard to forgive himself for that as he has never broken a promise.
Thank you all from all of us for the support you have given him, we know he enjoyed coming on here a lot. He made me promise to come on here and inform you and I am also to say "grumpy says I told you so" he said you will all understand that.
Thank you

{Ed025's Note - thats very sad news tony and im gutted mate, he had a lot of friends on here and was a long time poster who debated his views very well and earned a lot of respect, our thoughts and prayers go out to your mum and the family and he will be sorely missed on this forum, thank you for letting us know as as we were all wishing him well and hoping that he would battle back from adversity...RIP grumpy toffee you may be gone but will never be forgotten my old friend..

1.) 12 Apr 2018 16:57:45
RIP Grumpy it was a pleasure to read your comments. Condolences to all your family and friends at this differcult time x.

2.) 12 Apr 2018 17:03:43
Omg I'm so sorry to hear that. Never always agreed with him but always respected him and liked his posts. Sending love to you and your family. Football means nothing st times like this. RIP grumpy. Always remembered.

3.) 12 Apr 2018 17:05:04
Absolutely devastated for your family. Our opinions may have been different but our love for the club was the same. He will definately be missed by us all. Thinking of your family at this extremely difficult time. A true blue RIP. Godbless GT 🙏🏼.

4.) 12 Apr 2018 17:08:35
RIP Grumpy mate sad to lose another true blue, enjoyed the banter and the passion you showed for the club.

5.) 12 Apr 2018 17:15:05
My sincere sympathy to family and friends of Grumpy. I allways enjoyed his posts whether I agreed or disagreed with him

6.) 12 Apr 2018 17:35:25
Condolences and thoughts are with you all. Grumpy although I only knew him through his posts on here will be sadly missed.

7.) 12 Apr 2018 18:02:14
Thoughts are with your family mate you were the BEST.

8.) 12 Apr 2018 18:20:50
RIP Grumpy. You will be sorely missed on here.

9.) 12 Apr 2018 18:40:45
RIP Grumpy. Puts much into perspective. Whatever your opinions you certainly cared about your beloved Blues.

10.) 12 Apr 2018 18:48:14
He will be much missed and a sad loss to the world. I would say RIP but I doubt he would want peace, he would probably much prefer an argument up there! Thank you for letting us all know Tony, I know you must have a lot on your plate right now so take care of yourself and my best wishes to you and all the family.

11.) 12 Apr 2018 19:09:22
RIP Grumpy. Pleasure doing battle. I believe us blues get the best seat in the house when we pass. Tony, to you and your family I offer my deepest condolences.

12.) 12 Apr 2018 19:24:33
Actually brought me to tears that news, RIP mate and to you tony and your family my deepest condolences mate terrible news, another good man gone.

13.) 12 Apr 2018 19:31:10
Rip GT . Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. God bless pal 👍.

14.) 12 Apr 2018 19:31:16
So sad to hear. Condolences to your family Tony.

15.) 12 Apr 2018 18:21:34
So sorry that we will never read any more posts from grumpy we have lost a true blue and by reading his posts a true gentleman my thoughts are with you and your family . words are always hard to find at times like these but he will not be forgotten on these Everton pages that's for sure.

16.) 12 Apr 2018 20:38:07
RIP Grumpy - you will be missed but never forgotten, enjoyed reading your posts. Thoughts and prayers are with your family. I am sure the Blue family will support them in whatever way we can. RIP Grumpy Blue.

17.) 12 Apr 2018 21:16:22
So sad and absolutely gutted to hear this news.
Grumpy always put his point across very eloquently and politely but firmly.
Hopefully he's up there with Kendal, Ball and Young and all the other Blues he held in such high esteem. God bless and sleep well.

18.) 12 Apr 2018 21:43:30
Absolutely gutted with the news of Grumpy passing away, he spoke from the heart and stood by his beliefs in his eyes where others would have backed off and admitted defeat.

It is ok to not agree, but he never backed down with what he truly believed, for that I admire him for not sulking away or being told he was wrong, when you see something you grasp it and stick to your beliefs, everyone sees things different, but we are all Evertonians and I for one will miss Grumpy posts.

I would like to pass on my condolences to yourself Tony and all the family, he certainly did tell us all, we have lost not just an Evertonian but a family, he was part of the furniture on this site and will be greatly missed.

R. i. p Grumpy.

19.) 12 Apr 2018 22:05:59
RIP we have lost a true Evertonian a Gentleman and a friend, my condolences to you and your family Tony and just remember your Dad will be sorely missed and always remembered by us all on this site.

20.) 12 Apr 2018 22:19:44
Condolences to Tony and family. Grumpy will be missed by all of his friends on this site,

21.) 12 Apr 2018 22:25:01
That post brought tears to my eyes. Obviously a legend on here. Thank you for posting Tony. Condolences to you and your family. He was my favourite one on here. You could tell he had a fantastic personality. No doubt he passed that onto you Tony. Would be nice to hear from you on here from time to time Tony.

22.) 12 Apr 2018 23:04:57
R I P grumpy
A true blue.

23.) 13 Apr 2018 02:11:29
R. I. P GT.

A true Blue - and a true Gentleman.

24.) 13 Apr 2018 10:29:42
How sad this news is. Never afraid to speak his mind about his Everton, respect to the man who had endured more than most the different eras of the club. Must have seen some top players in his time. Grumpy, you will be missed on these forums, I'm so sorry you never got to get back to Scotland.
I seem to remember him saying he was 75 or 76, can't we get as many fans as possible to do a minutes applause for him at the next home game, it's been done numerous times before now.

25.) 13 Apr 2018 11:50:20
Rip grumpy.

26.) 13 Apr 2018 17:46:41
Just reading the awful news about Grumpy, thanks for letting us know about your Dad, Tony. Your Dad will be sorely missed on this forum by everyone. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

27.) 13 Apr 2018 17:55:54
Really sad news. My condolences to you and your family Tony. This forum will be a poorer place without Grumpy.

28.) 14 Apr 2018 08:18:18
RIP Grumpy.



10 Apr 2018 13:09:18
Over the last three months I have been having some rather intense treatment at the local hospital. Today we have seen the consultant/ doctors in charge to be told that the treatment has not gone as well as expected, and the prognosis is not the ideal one so to speak.

Tomorrow I am taking Mrs GT to Scotland for 2 days to revisit the place of our honeymoon almost 55 years ago. We only had a 2 day honeymoon, We are then going to spend some time with family members where I will try and annoy the heck out of them.

During this time I will not be posting on here, as with all due respect this place does not really rate highly on my priority list at this moment in time, Realistically I don't think I will be able to post on here for the remainder of this season. Whilst the prognosis does not bode well for me I hope and pray that my posts will restart at some point in time.

When I go on in these forums it is because I am an old Evertonian, I can remember the ground before we even had floodlights and us playing in the Second division, That's why I smile to myself when people say this is the worse we have ever been, Nothing could be further from the truth.

This post is going all over the place, I'm finding it a little difficult at the moment to put things into words. I am only saddened that I will never get to see the new ground but that is my only regret. I know I have angered many on here including the Eds at time but hey, these things happen.

I have enjoyed myself on here and hope to have a couple more controversial posts left in me, but that will be dependant on how the next month or so go. What would make me chuckle is if SA does not get sacked even though it would mean us not moving forward for another season. I would love to be able to post "I told you so".

I will let you all in on something now. I do not like SA one bit, RM RK DU and SA have never been my first choice nor will they ever be. My posts here have always been to offer a different perspective on things and as I hope I have proved, I was prepared to go toe to toe with all of you. My posts were really done because no one else was prepared to do that, I have watched cliques formed and a blind backing for each other happening within these forums. If some of you had said we should start to play in Red kits others would of agreed. Nothing wrong with that though I suppose.

May I offer a little insight from a grumpy old git, whilst 95% of posts cover the same ground and say exactly the same thing, for months on end, then people like myself will always pop up to antagonise you all. At one stage if I were standing next to SA some of you would of struggled as to who to throw the egg at first.

In my many many years of supporting Everton it may surprise people to know that far from having blind support I actually see the same things as you all do, Now no matter how many of you think otherwise I do not actually support SA where we all differ is that I do not keep on saying it over and over again. A lot of you complained I repeat myself yet still the daily anti SA posts continue mainly by the same people.

Chances are I will be with the big guy next season looking down on our club with fondness and saying to him " SA seems a lot better this season eh? "

I am away now folks I have a heck of a lot of things to do. I hope each and every one of you finds peace and happiness.


1.) 10 Apr 2018 13:43:05
Grumpy mate, gutted reading this pal. Whatever you're going through, my thoughts are with you and your family. You're a great evertoninan who loves his club, I may not agree with some of your opinions but at the end of day you want the best for our club like we all do. Stay strong mate.

2.) 10 Apr 2018 14:05:45
Good luck mate hope to here from you next season with a big "I told you so"

{Ed025's Note - thanks for all your input over the years grumpy and i hope things improve for you mate, try if you can to keep us all updated as a lot of us are really concerned and best of luck my old friend..

3.) 10 Apr 2018 14:06:09
Grumpy. I know we have and our disagreements from time to time but we both only want what is best for the club.
Sorry to hear about your news and I hope you do get back to a level where you can post on here again.
I can probably speak for most posters on this site and say we are all praying for you.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely geoff..

4.) 10 Apr 2018 14:06:53
Hi Grumpy I don't know you personally just from this rumour site i enjoy and respect every post you write, I've got to say reading the start of the above post I had a tear in my eye as I read it I wish you all the luck with whatever you are going through I hope you have a lovely time in Scotland with Mrs GT and remember you have friends on here and dare I say it a family of Evertonians wishing you all the very best please take care and we will miss you till next season when we look forward to hearing from you again and another controversial post lol.

5.) 10 Apr 2018 14:13:28
I second that Grumpy, always enjoy your posts, you focus on health issues mate and grab each Day, us miserable sods will still be here when you manage to visit this site again, hope all goes well.

6.) 10 Apr 2018 14:32:39
Sorry to hear your news, GT. We haven't always agreed with each others posts and comments but nobody can doubt your support to our club. Take care, fella, hope you and the mrs have an enjoyable time in Scotland. Square sausage baps and iron brew are a good hangover cure!

7.) 10 Apr 2018 14:36:36
All the best, GT. Thoughts are with you and the family.

8.) 10 Apr 2018 14:57:03
Really sad news GT. I always had a chuckle reading your comments on here (good or bad) . Good luck mate and enjoy the time with your loved ones.

9.) 10 Apr 2018 15:40:43
Grumpy I hope Fonseca takes over soon just so I can say I told you so ha
Sorry to hear that news and I'm hoping you do see the new ground mate.
The life of an Evertonian ey?
We spend so much time wishing and hoping that one day we will see the success our fan base deserves.
I started watching the blues as a 9 yr old.
First game I remember clearly was Watford 84 cup final.
Growing up watching the 80s team probably spoilt me for life.
As the song says " If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor. "
I feel at times I have a right to shout on here that this ain't good enough because of what I've witnessed but I realise I'm fighting with other passionate supporters who have also witnessed glory days.
Once Everton has touched you mate you're never the same.
I will hope to see you back here mate because it won't be same without you.

10.) 10 Apr 2018 16:11:38
I wish you all the VERY VERY BEST mate, will be thinking about you mate TAKE CARE,

11.) 10 Apr 2018 16:52:31
Good luck GT.

12.) 10 Apr 2018 16:57:50
It's been great hearing from you on here Grumpy, and obviously there are much more important things than football, as much as we love Everton. This site wouldn't be the same without you, as much as I've disagreed with a lot of your points, I think a difference of opinion is healthy and I appreciate your contributions and thoughts on the club that we all love. All the best mate, we're all thinking of you.

13.) 10 Apr 2018 17:56:19
Take it easy Grumpy and fingers crossed we'll speak next season.

14.) 10 Apr 2018 17:56:27
Good luck GT. Manning the guns until the end. like your style mate.

Fingers crossed you are back next season getting up my nose.

Enjoy your break.

15.) 10 Apr 2018 18:27:33
Your health is your wealth Grumpy and good luck with your future. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family through these sad times. I second what ed025 said in asking you to keep in touch and let us know how you’re doing. That message was very touching mate.

16.) 10 Apr 2018 18:55:24
Grumpy I'm really sorry to hear about your illness. I don't know what your situation is but I know personally how a change in health can impact your life.

We didn't see eye to eye at all. However, with you winding us all up for 6 months then may be we did. I know one thing and that was we both wanted the Blues to be successful.

All i can say is make the most of everyday and if you've got a spare 5 minutes now and again come and say hello - and if you want to say Sam is amazing then i won't bite back - maybe😜

Good luck bud.

17.) 10 Apr 2018 21:30:56
Obviously not good news Grumpy but keep fighting mate and I hope to see more posts from you in the future.
Best wishes to both you and Mrs GT.

{Ed001's Note - sorry to read this Grumps, best of luck, I hope you beat whatever it is. With your stubbornness, I have faith you can beat anything!}

18.) 10 Apr 2018 21:47:21
Lost for words GT but I hope if miracles do happen, you get one. Peace be with you and Mrs GT.

19.) 10 Apr 2018 21:54:58
Really sorry to hear your news GT. All the best to you and your family.

20.) 10 Apr 2018 22:01:55
Horrible news mate, i havnt been on for a while as i have just lost a daughter and things like this make u remember that this is just a game and doesn't matter that much really but ad just like to say good luck mate keep fighting don't give up and fingers crossed we will see u stood in the new stadium watching us in the champs league.

{Ed025's Note - sorry to hear that johny mate..

21.) 10 Apr 2018 22:31:21
Agree with all the above, hope things improve Grumpy. I also watched them in the second division but also went to two cup finals which we won. Will miss you mate,

22.) 10 Apr 2018 22:51:47
Tear to the eye Grumpy. Will not be the same on here without you until the end of the season. Look forward to hearing from you next season or during the summer :-)

Mind yourself, your number one supporter NBTB.

23.) 10 Apr 2018 23:10:11
I don't post much on here but I read most of the sites.
Gt I hope you have a lovely few days away. best of luck mate and I will light a candle and say a few prayers for you.

{Ed0333's Note - hear hear Leahy. Grumpy I hope you are posting for many healthy years to come.

24.) 11 Apr 2018 05:06:38
Be well Grumpy. Family first, football second. I say with all hope and prayers that we will witness a return of your ever passionate and thoughtful commentary next season,

25.) 11 Apr 2018 07:06:37
Had to look at the calendar to make sure it was not April 1st. Didn't see that one coming Grumpy. Words cannot express but as you love proving people wrong I suggest you prove the Doctors/ Consultants wrong and get your arse back on this board as soon as possible.

26.) 11 Apr 2018 09:15:14
Thoughts are with you and your family GT, hopefully see you next season on here .
Everton aren't we.

27.) 11 Apr 2018 10:25:14
We Evertonians stick together through good and bad and I am sure I say on behalf of all Evertonians that we are thinking about you and send are best wishes. Enjoy your holiday in Scotland and here’s hoping to a good of end to the season. Best of luck.

28.) 11 Apr 2018 10:42:24
Very sad to hear your news GT you have provided a lot of great debates on here if I'm honest I didn't agree with a lot of them but how boring would it be if we all agreed I hope and pray for you and your family keep fighting sir And I'll light a candle for you COYBB.

29.) 11 Apr 2018 10:50:31
Sorry to hear the sad news Grumpy. Not been on here that long really but do enjoy your often insightful posts. Best wishes mate.

30.) 11 Apr 2018 12:02:19
Take care grump, il say a little pray for you mate.

31.) 11 Apr 2018 12:04:30
All the best GT, with strength and stubbornness we can beat all odds and from your posts I believe you have both, hope to see you back soon, I thoroughly enjoyed your stance even if I didn't agree with it. Stay strong.

32.) 11 Apr 2018 23:14:13
I’d like to join everyone else in wishing you the very best of luck Grump. Sincerely mate, I hope you find yourself in the very best of health in no time.

33.) 12 Apr 2018 04:01:52
I sincerely hope to see your input ont the site next season, Grumpy. Wishing you the best of luck during your time away. It has and always will be a pleasure coming on to this site daily and reading your insightful, wisdom-laced posts.

An extra couple of words for you, Johnny 1989. It could not have been easy - and still won’t be - having to deal what you have dealt with in recent times. I hope us blues on the site can contribute to all the good vibes that deserve to (and surely will) come your way.


34.) 12 Apr 2018 12:22:54
Sorry I missed this when it was posted. GT please give it everything you have, like you have always done. I sincerely hope that things work out well for you and your family.



08 Apr 2018 19:52:12
The law of averages states that no one person can be wrong 100% of the time.

Shame that was written before I started posting on here as I seem to be the exception with my posts. Or am I wrong?

1.) 08 Apr 2018 20:08:55
A lot of people can see the same thing, yet make their own minds up what they see, some will see it different, some will agree Grumpy, in our own minds we say what we see, I have lost count the number of times I have seen things, but others have a difference of opinions, it does not make one right and the other wrong, what is important is to say what you yourself believe.

I would not worry too much if other people’s views differ, if we all agreed, it would become a very boring site.

We could build one hell of a new stadium, yet some will knock the ground, we could get a player in and as you know, within minutes, you will get, too old, too slow, too small, on his last big pay Day.

Whoever comes in or linked as player or manager, rest assured he will be shot down before he even comes to us

So do not worry too much mate, you keep posting and do not let the knockers get you down.

{Ed025's Note - thats right mate..

2.) 08 Apr 2018 20:35:39
Cheers Nev, I needed that mate. ( going through tough times with health lately and find I been venting on here )

3.) 08 Apr 2018 20:47:00
Keep your chin up mate we need you on here with you honest views cheers.

4.) 08 Apr 2018 20:55:05
As you have an unwavering opinion on Sam which is against the majority of Evertonians. It is going to feel like that. However, it doesn't make you wrong.

There's no right or wrong on here. Just opinions. I think that's what some people forget.

5.) 08 Apr 2018 21:04:23
We need to let off steam, things infuriate us with the team/ new stadium, whatever it is some will never be happy, others will think a step forward, swings and roundabouts, but never worry about what you post, get it off your chest, I know it makes me feel better, regardless if others agree or not, it’s your own views that is important to the ongoing debates on this great site, keep your chin up Grumpy and just continue posting what you think.

6.) 08 Apr 2018 21:14:29
We all LOVE Everton mate.

7.) 08 Apr 2018 21:31:56
I'm right all the time, my opinion is always correct, ( to me lol) same as everyone's else opinion is correct to themselves, just some people take it a little to far in response.
I help manage a kids footy team in Cornwall, but what I see to what the other coach sees when we have a match are to different things, I watch the players and see there passing and weather they move, the other coach looks for players who take players on, I'm critical of greedy players, my point is, when watching players, managers, we all see different things different, doesn't mean that I'm right or wrong same as the next guy.

8.) 08 Apr 2018 21:42:28
As you say mate game of opinions.

9.) 08 Apr 2018 23:11:13
Grumpy I haven't posted much lately but it wasn't consciously. I'm not just saying it but my view is almost identical to your posts. I 100% get where your coming from with everything you say. I feel your frustration with the way other people disregard things and are fixated on things.

Your posts imho are very good and look at the broad or big picture. Very realistic and practical. Unfortunately a lot people get caught up in the imaginary monopoly game they think the football league is. Good job we are all different I guess.

Sorry to hear about the health. Keep positive. Its 100% of the battle there! If your looking for alternative therapy you could do a lot worse than Reiki if you ever heard of it.

10.) 09 Apr 2018 00:34:10
Get better soon Grumpy, not many of us old timers left.

11.) 09 Apr 2018 07:11:38
I obviously missed something yesterday. But Grumpy mate, you can see the affection people have for you on here. I think both you and I know we have rattled a few feathers on here a few times. I am genuinely sorry to hear you are suffering at the moment and maybe you should have a little break off here if your emotions are getting the better of you? that's a decision only you can make. I myself have started to do more tongue in cheek stuff. eg the poster who said I had been on the juice. I did reply but the Ed's obviously never saw the funny side. I did a reply which basically said "hic" not me or something similar! You decide what you need to do. but understand that you are indeed very very well respected for your views by most posters on here. Some might disagree. but they are only other people giving their opinions from their perspectives. and their perspectives might be different to ours! Hope you have a great day. DegsyP.

{Ed025's Note - i think we all echo that degsy..

12.) 09 Apr 2018 11:59:03
That’s spot on Degsy, no poster should have to worry about their comments, unless it gets personal towards another poster, I can honestly say I enjoy reading yours and Grumpy posts along with other posts, if I read something and have a difference of opinion, I will put my personal view across, that’s not having a go at a poster, but just saying what I feel, we need posters like you and Grumpy on here along with the other posters, the only thing I will say is do not take it personally if someone puts a different view on any comments, they are not having a go at the poster, but at the player/ manager, board member, performance, or whatever.

13.) 09 Apr 2018 12:19:58
Chin up Grumpy. Don't let the B's grind you down 🙃.



07 Apr 2018 15:40:55
Throughout the week most on here were saying that no matter what team Liverpool put out against us we would be well and truly beaten, so now we have a point the general feeling is that we were only playing against the reserve side.

Now correct me if I am wrong here but in the case of the top sides and the limited amount of squad players allowed, do they not play a few of these "reserves" in the CL? I don't think the regular team gets played in every single game.

Now if Liverpool decided to sell off the reserve team I feel every single player would be snapped up.

Do you know how many of this reserve team actually beat Man City?
Van Dijk
Wijnaldum (on as a sub)
Solanke (on as a sub)
Oxlade-Chamberlin ( Used as a sub today played full against city)
Alexadre- Arnold ( Used as sub today played against city)
Ings ( On the bench against City )
Masterton (on the bench for both games )

So the majority of players who made City look very ordinary were in fact playing against us today. We actually got a result against the odds today, I wish we had played against the reserves we may of beat them.

1.) 07 Apr 2018 15:53:54
What did you think of the game Grumpy?

2.) 07 Apr 2018 15:58:17
Good shout mate.

3.) 07 Apr 2018 16:29:32
I think most of us are a bit happier.

4.) 07 Apr 2018 16:56:59
I'm very happy with the result Degsy mate, would of been happier with the win, let's be realistic most of us would of been happy with a draw if offered before kick off.

Thanks GB mate.

5.) 07 Apr 2018 20:22:12
Good shout grump. I thought we battled well today. Ye with a bit more quality we would have won the game but being realistic with this season it was a very good showing and i'm proud of the team today. Keane hasn't exactly impressed this season but I thought he was brilliant today and jags. I enjoyed today.




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08 Apr 2018 21:20:46
Would be a good catch for us from what I can gather. He has found some very good players in the past.



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08 Apr 2018 20:32:19
Will he be working alongside SW do you know mate? or is SW moving jobs within Everton?



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30 Mar 2018 21:13:30
Thank you Ed,

Those pesky gooners!



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30 Mar 2018 21:00:49
Would that other club be Arsenal by any chance Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - He is on the revised list of options that they have. But they, like Everton, still have a coach so it is rather academic whilst Wenger does not pull the ejection seast.}



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14 Mar 2018 21:02:39
Hehehe wow is an understatement mate.




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08 Apr 2018 20:35:39
Cheers Nev, I needed that mate. ( going through tough times with health lately and find I been venting on here )



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08 Apr 2018 17:20:29
I don't actually recall EVER saying I do not want Everton to play better football BJU. Would you be so kind as to show me where I have as I must be doing it in my sleep. I'm at the doctors this week so I will mention it to him.



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08 Apr 2018 16:42:07
The problem with it Smit mate is when the players have 3 managers sacked then something is wrong. It looks certain SA will be the third, Not all 3 managers were the same in interviews, in fact I would say they were all different from each other. I'm just a little worried that these players may not like the next one we get or the one after.
If this had only happened with our present manager then I would have no choice but to agree that it is 100% the manager. Nobody will agree with that as people see that as supporting SA but I am only saying it as I see it.

players not playing well for a manager = Fault of manager.
Players not playing well for 3 managers = Something very wrong.

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08 Apr 2018 15:00:45
Sometimes Mike we have to do what is best with the tools we have. Now in this case regardless of how pretty it looked we did better than any of us could of wished for.

What the last 15 minutes does actually hi-lite is that our players are capable of turning it on when it suits them, why is that? They were dross with RK, DU, SA. If the players have decided it is them that hold the power and we are willing to accept that, then as a club we are doomed mate, simple as that. Did SA do anything to make those players suddenly start performing and playing like they should do in every game? No, the players themselves decided to do it. They played the exact same tactics as given to them, they just decided to up the tempo.



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08 Apr 2018 13:35:40
So I take it you are not happy with a draw?

They were playing with 12 of the 19 players who beat City 3 - 0. I hate saying this but Liverpool are in free flow at the moment and as such we should be over the moon we got something from the game. Many a team have tried to play attacking football against them only to get hammered and punished on the counter attack.

Against these top sides (and they are a top side) we need to do what we can to stifle their play, if that means it's boring to look at then that's tough. I would be happy taking a point from all of the top teams, I certainly would not say we are rubbish because we did not win.

Be happy we stopped those across the park from doing the double over us, Non of us would of expected a win or a draw during the week, certainly the bookies didn't. They have amongst others slated us all season saying how crap we are yet they can only manage a draw. let's all shout at them about that instead of saying we are so bad we only got a draw against Liverpool.