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31 Aug 2021 13:09:04
Nkoukou out on Loan it seems, beginning to get very confused here, feels like we are aiming to just have a starting 11 come the end of the window and nothing else. I really hope we put a recall clause in!


{Ed002's Note - What is a "recall clause"?}

1.) 31 Aug 2021 13:17:13
The kind where you can recall them if you get injuries - maybe the kind of clause that exists in champ manager only, I'm sure you are about to enlighten me either way🤣.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how it works. You can only recall players if the terms of the loan are not met.}

2.) 31 Aug 2021 13:24:11
My bad, I thought you could recall them in January if agreed in advance.

3.) 31 Aug 2021 13:26:31
Hi Ed, think I can shed some light on this one. In the game ‘Football Manager’ it allows you to loan players out to other teams and insert loan recall clauses in the agreement. That way during the same season you can effectively cancel the loan / recall the player and it does not effect you being able to loan them elsewhere in the same season.
…. Thanks his is all football manager of course!

4.) 31 Aug 2021 14:40:53
FIFA also, loan someone out. If you pay a small fee to the team you loaned them to, you can get him back. Its bloody brilliant. Loan out some players to rivaling clubs and then just get them back and bugger up their transfer window.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 15:38:42
Sky sports news has reported a player has been loaned "with a recall" clause.

{Ed002's Note - How could that player be registered? They also need to read the rules then.}




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08 Nov 2021 09:05:37
Whilst I am not in the Moyes back camp. To say Moyes is doing well because he has a great group of core players is an injustice. No one thought much of those players 2 years ago.

This is where football fans underestimate the power of the manager. For most clubs outside of the elite we all have similar standard of players who can have good and bad days. That's why these players don't play for the elite clubs. The job of a good prem manager is to get more of the players having more good days than bad on a regular basis. Brendon Rodgers has excelled at this with Leicester, and Moyes is doing the same at West Ham, and exactly what he did for us.

I have seen enough from a lot of our players over the their careers to know that they are more capable than they are currently showing, or showed last year. Ancelotti was an abomination, but he knew how to organise a defense and we weren't a shambles at set pieces like we are now.


1.) 08 Nov 2021 09:20:17
Fully agree, didn’t Ranieri do this at Leicester a few years ago with mainly unknown players.

2.) 08 Nov 2021 11:34:55
Yes ranieri did - however look at him since - hardly set the world alight.

Some managers suit certain clubs and it’s looking like Moyes is suited to West Ham.

He gave us stability that’s all, he failed at Utd, real sociedad and Sunderland but now doing well. Clearly West Ham suits him - not sure if he came back he’d do any better than any manager we’ve recently had.

Let’s see how Rafa goes as he’s been badly hindered by injuries and once squad fully fit will be a different proposition.

The lack of options left back, right back, etc are not his doing.

3.) 08 Nov 2021 13:10:49
Moyes did bring us stability, he also brought in a lot of players better than we currently have and all with very limited funds available!
Look at the money this club has squandered since Moyes departed, it would have been interesting to see where he could have taken us then?

4.) 08 Nov 2021 13:31:23
If we all take away the bitterness of when he left us for United and tried to buy our players then Moyes is a decent and proven manager. He tried and failed at Real Sociedad (which most managers wouldn’t of tried to manage in the first place) and wasn’t given time or money at United. I’m almost 40 years old and have supported Everton all my life and the best football I’ve ever seen us play is under Moyes as our manager. With that being said that ship has definitely sailed and he definitely won’t be coming back to manage us, it’s too late for that now.
I’m personally happy with Rafa Benitez as our manager and once he’s been able to put his stamp on things I can see him being the manager we’ve been looking for since DM departed. I think we can all agree he’s been dealt a rough hand through injuries and ffp in his first few months in charge.

5.) 08 Nov 2021 15:33:00
Wakka, we will never know as he wanted to test himself at a 'big club' and we all know how that ended!
DPP, it's not bitter to hold him to account for the way he acted immediately after he left. The fact that he has done almost next to nothing since he left us is enough to steer clear of him in the future. He might have West Ham playing decent stuff at the minute but there's no suggestion that it will continue for a few more seasons. He did the same with us, have a good year and then tail off.
He should be left in the past, we have rafa now so I don't see why fans are suddenly salivating at what DM is doing down south! History tells us that this purple patch won't last.



01 Nov 2021 22:42:28
What really struck me tonight was the lack of a response to going behind, and then when we did get a goal the lack of passion shown about it. We celebrated like it was a consolation goal, and then just reverted back to plodding along.

Delph aside, Gordon looked bright again off the bench, and Townsend tried. That's about all I can take from it of any good.


1.) 01 Nov 2021 22:48:19
Thought this a poor game from Townsend - didn’t really do anything in the game.

Same can be said for the whole team really though.

2.) 02 Nov 2021 00:48:22
Agree Efcone, I was a little gobsmacked by the reaction to the goal as well mate. Feel really sorry for all those supporters who were at the game mate. Can’t imagine what they felt.



01 Sep 2021 18:33:49
I have seen a lot of posters on here talk about our FFP situation as if the it is totally out of our control, and an excuse for our limited spend this season. We have bought and spent our way into this mess. We should be grateful that Rafa is at the helm and may give us a fighting chance, but at the same time we should be annoyed/ angry that it has come to this, not begrudgingly accepting as so many are.

For as long as I have been active on these forums, which is only 2 or 3 years to be fair ED002 has warned us of the mess we were digging for ourselves - and taken a lot of abuse in return as we constantly spent like there was no tomorrow and made it look like he was talking rubbish.

Even last season we had the 5th highest net spend during a C.V. when we were clearly on the brink of breaching ffp.

Would be nice if we all took a minute to eat a big slice of humble pie, and admit ED002 was 100% correct.


1.) 01 Sep 2021 18:58:55
Who was doubting him? We all knew that the spending couldn't continue at the same rate, Koeman spent around 210m and silva over 100m. We gambled on getting into the European competitions on a regular basis but have failed drastically. If it had paid off then we all would have been buzzing, including yourself! We have no choice but to begrudgingly accept it, what else can we do? As I said, we gambled paying ridiculous wages and fees in the hope these players would get us on the gravy train. We are a mid-table club paying champions league wages. Go figure.
It's not an excuse that our limited spending is due to ffp, it's a fact. It's obviously down to financial mismanagement but anyone with any common sense could see it coming if the gamble didn,t pay off. and thats where we find ourselves right now mate.

2.) 01 Sep 2021 19:49:03
What I find hard to accept is that Farhad has been at the club for 5 years building up his share. With him being a Chartered Accountant I would have expected the finances to have been improved at an earlier date. Am I missing something.

3.) 01 Sep 2021 22:54:29
Yes, your missing the fact that the guy didn’t understand footballers. If you spend a fortune on a Rolls Royce you get a beautiful car that’s a joy to drive. If you spend a fortune on a footballer you cross your fingers and hope for the best.
Unfortunately Moshiri bought a load of bangers, because he listened to some very clever salesmen.
Expensive lesson but hey he can afford it.

4.) 01 Sep 2021 23:51:22
Yea damage was done but feel we rectified that from last summer till now where players bought in are either regulars and improved us or the ones that have not worked out like Kean, we have moved him on and not lost money on, less players coming in per window which is Key, few more need to go over next 2 windows.

5.) 02 Sep 2021 09:34:52
Have to agree with EFCONE and bluepotato and Ed 2. Financial mismanagement (of epic proportions) had come back to bite us in the Ass. Yes, someone in charge took a gamble and it was a bad one. We bought poorly in the main and overpaid on a regular basis

Who's to blame? Walsh, Brands, the Finance Director who is leaving, the managers or others such as Moshiri himself for knowing very little about football and relying on advisors?

I'm not even sure we have learnt from it - just last season we were paying ridiculous money and wages for Allan, Doucoure and James whilst giving new contracts to Keane and Holgate that they won't get elsewhere. How much are we paying Rondon to warm our bench?

Who's to Blame and have we got rid of them yet?

6.) 02 Sep 2021 10:03:48
Biggest team in that league, regular league winners, regulars in Champ league. Have players who though expensive also generate income for the club. Very good corporate facilities, full ground on match day etc.
We on the other hand.

7.) 02 Sep 2021 12:07:43
We, on the other hand, are starting to cut our cloth accordingly, BB! The gamble for Europe, and the riches that seems to bring, failed miserably and now we have to become more self-sustainable. I think Rafa is the right man in charge to oversee this new approach and lead us ino our new stadium. We just have to be patient and see this season out, if we end it by qualifying for Europe (long shot but anything is possible) then things will improve slightly on the transfer front. By that, I mean we might have a couple of quid to spend and I believe Rafa will spend it wisely, especially in comparison to previous managers.

8.) 02 Sep 2021 17:25:15
BP we have the money to spend but can't spend it. We are now in a position of one in one out. This is where Brands needs to step up and unearth those little gems he was famous for.
I am really not convinced that he would have been happy giving a 31 year old a two year contract, and feel we may still be in a position of him wanting one thing and the manager wanting the other. Only time will tell I suppose.

9.) 02 Sep 2021 18:54:34
BB, yeah I meant we might be allowed to spend a few quid within the constraints of FFP.

10.) 02 Sep 2021 21:47:30
Europes FFP is stricter than our prem league spend rules.
We're currently -13, -112 and -195 over the 3 rolling years.
Some 70 million loss attributed to C.V. 40-50 mill spent on stadium planning which can be removed.

Need to get the wage bill right down but also keep competing.
Its going to be a tough couple of years.

11.) 03 Sep 2021 06:53:09
140 mill not 195 mill oops.



31 Aug 2021 22:05:45
Agree with what a few have said now regards Brands. Even if we do well this season i'd argue its inspite of Brands not because of him.

The squad depth is frankly a joke, we haven't really shifted the players we needed to shift, we have got another 5 or 6 out of contract next season, at which point Allan/ Dacoure will then be into the last season of their contracts, and we will most likely lose one of if not both of Richy and DCL.

We will still be in a fairly big ffp whole still as well I assume since we haven't really made any money, and are paying Mina, Gomes, Siggy, James huge salaries and not even playing them.

Again this doesn't mean we will definitely have a bad season, but if you are they guy on charge of us being in this situation you have a lot to answer for.


1.) 31 Aug 2021 22:09:56
Not all of those players are Brands recruits surely. He’s left trying to offload players on high wages that other clubs just won’t pay. It’s not really surprising is it?

2.) 31 Aug 2021 22:15:46
Not sure how you expect Brands to sell players that we don’t want?
We’re a mid table team so our cast offs would be suited to the championship however most on champions league wages, nobody could move them on.

The squad depth is thin and we appear light in a few areas but the plan has always been to decrease the squad size - time for some of the under 23s to step up.

Think we should just get behind the club and see what happens this season, it’s definitely started better than many expected - let’s hope it continues.

The players we have moved on haven’t been part of the first team anyway. So not sure what the big issue is? Will we miss them? Maybe Nkounkou but no others we have moved on will be missed.

3.) 31 Aug 2021 22:16:22
The Idea that Brands is simply the guy left cleaning up the mess is ludicrous. He must be involved in some way, otherwise what is he doing, he's not implementing a single style through the club or influencing playing style in any way. He may be making progress with the youth teams, but surely the academy director is equally responsible?

4.) 31 Aug 2021 22:54:58
Errrr Moise Kean?

5.) 31 Aug 2021 23:02:55
Can you implement a playing style whilst the manager changes every 18 months? Think you are being overly harsh EFC. I’m not saying he’s without fault but I don’t think he’s the problem at the club. It would be nice just to have some stability for a while and see what he can actually do.

6.) 01 Sep 2021 08:34:39
ONE the playing style is not his fault. The board are doing the scatter gun hiring of managers going from one style to another.

We won't see his influence for at least 5 years and then hopefully with a new identity and consistency we get the benefits from it.

We were stuck with Moyes for 11 years who done nothing to create a legacy and why it was completely dismantled in 1 summer after Martinez came in. Moyes who wanted every last penny for the 1st team, martinet wanted an improved trainng ground and proper academy development. I could write all day about 11 years of failure and what brands is trying trying to do to make sure that doesn't happen again.



31 Aug 2021 08:27:09
I'm not saying their isn't potential in him, but you have to wonder how it is UTD manage to almost double their money on Daniel James. Whereas we can't even give away some of our under performers. Just further highlights the disparity between us and the top clubs.
We all make mistakes in the transfer market, yet the top clubs are able to shift their duds out simply because being signed by them in the first place is enough to protect their value.


1.) 31 Aug 2021 10:09:09
If they had paid over 25m for him in the first place, they wouldn't be doubling their money on him at all. I do get your point though, some clubs are just better at extracting cash from potential buyers. At least, by the looks of it, we get back the majority of what we paid for MK.




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05 Dec 2021 21:47:54
Applaud Moshiri? Really? At the moment Moshiri is getting a lot of good faith probably based solely on the new stadium, which whilst a great achievement will mean nothing if the issues on the pitch aren't sorted.

I agree Brands had to go, but his failure is almost certainly not of his own making. Bought in to do a job, then by all accounts over ruled at almost every turn. Given managers to work with who just want to do their own thing and ignore him. Spent most of his summers trying to flog Steve Walsh's failures whilst Moshiri and his 'advisors' went over his head signing more useless dross that he would later have to sell.

Nothing that has happened on the pitch in the Moshiri era has progressed us as a club. Nothing in the youth set up, nothing in the u23s. No culture, no philosophy, no plan and no clue. Genuinelly believe we are now well and truly the laughing stock of English football, not an article is written about us that doesn't mock our transfer activity.

The only thing that changes that is results and I'd say Rafa has until the end of the Palace game to sort that out, or he will be the next in an increasingly long list of expensive failures.

Sad, sad times.




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08 Nov 2021 09:13:09
Again with the not 1 player would get into the top sides business.

I think we have a couple they just happen to be injured. Do me a favour and go and have a look at the teams above us in the league who aren't in the big 4 (cos that's what iit is again now) and tell me which of their players would get into those clubs. I can think of at most 1 or 2 per team, and I'm including West Ham who are 3rd in that crop. My list below.

West Ham - 1, maybe 2
Arsenal - 0
Brighton - 1
Wolves - 0
Spurs - 2
Palace - 0.




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21 Oct 2021 11:58:10
To be honest I would prefer to keep him. We know how hard finding a striker is.

Having said that, we will lose him at some point regardless I believe, and I think we would get more money from Newcastle than anyone else. Top clubs have to pay less, as they can generally unsettle players. And we definitely need the money.




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10 Sep 2021 08:03:39
That really made me chuckle Ed?.




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31 Aug 2021 15:48:02
Agree, we had 2 keepers on the bench against Brighton, and one of the players that was on the bench is going out on Loan. Thin isn't even the word for it.





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06 Dec 2021 22:19:58
Great result, but let's not be hastey, that was Richarlison and Gray that won us that match, and if he plays like that more often I'll take back my comment about how we should cash in Richarlison! He absolutely willed us to win that game and as much stick as he gets for his supposed sulky attitude you could see tonight was important to the lad.




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03 Dec 2021 12:31:04
Simply put we cannot get rid of DCL. If we lose him and get a poor striker in his place then it won't matter how much we sort out the rest of the team we won't replace his goals.

If we sell, sell Richy, will still be a loss but we at least won't have as many goals to replace.




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02 Dec 2021 18:21:21
Can someone give Moshiri a vote of confidence?




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29 Nov 2021 19:43:05
They were together in absolute mediocrity. In fact mediocrity is a little kind.

Giving everything is an odd thing to praise. Football is a results game not an effort game. You can run around like headless chickens and appear to be putting in21 effort, physically maybe but we are not giving anything mentally to the game at all.

Rafas press conferences are starting to sound very big Sam which is a big worry.




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28 Nov 2021 21:17:55
I sort of know where your coming from but to say your sick of us hiring so called 'big name' managers is a stretch. Rafa would be our 2nd, having failed dismally in finding the right man for the job from managers with bright futures but less experience.

Our problems run deeper which is why no matter who the manager is we won't do well. We have slowly stripped away the culture and heart of this great club and what Rafa now stands holding onto is a shell, and even that shell has cracks all over it.

We need to change the culture of this club, and that is a slow process and requires buying players who first and foremost will play for the shirt regardless of quality. Which is what I think Rafa was trying to do in the summer, he just didn't realise how far off in terms of quality Rondon now is, but Gray and Townsend do work. Once we get the culture right, we can bring in players of quality but they will know from the other players that they still have to work.

We need leaders, Coleman is not a leader, passionate yes, but he doesn't infect the rest of the team with his passion, he just gets angry which isn't the same thing. Godfrey looked like he could be a leader last season but now looks lost. Dacoure is a great player but don't see him as a leader. I'm truth I think DCL has the makings of the best leader we have in the squad. But we need 2/ 3 more at least.


{Ed0666's Note - I still think Howe & Rafa are gonna swap jobs at the end of the season