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04 Nov 2020 09:58:17
Release clauses keep being raised as if triggering it is a given. Interested because I seem to remember one of the ED's indicating they mean nothing. Apologies if I got it wrong.


{Ed002's Note - Perhaps a reminder about transfer related clauses would be apt. This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out clause" is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain several years ago which is why they have an exception. All players in Spain and Portugal have a clause that allows the player to buy himself out of his contract without any tax implications - the tax implications passing to the buying club - typically at 50% on top of the value of the clause for the higher profile players. This was to address a ruling from around 30 years ago allowing players a way out of their contracts. The other notable point about Spain and Portugal is that the clauses, if invoked by a non-Iberian club, need to be paid in full by the player (there are local rules that stop tax being due) but by needing to put up 100% of the money upfront would end many transfers then and there. It works differently in Iberia to elsewhere as the tax implications do not make such clauses viable in other countries, so when Arsenal purchased Thomas Party they had to provide the money to him and then he had to immediately transfer those funds to the Spanish FA – leaving Arsenal to subsequently pay the tax due on the transfer by due date. All players in Iberia must have a figure set and agreed with the club. So "buy out" clauses are very rare elsewhere. Related to this is the Webster Ruling that allows players under certain conditions to break contracts after a certain period of time (three years under 28 and two years after being 28) by paying the club the amount the club would pay the player over the remaining length of the contract. It is very rarely invoked and could easily result in a protracted legal case.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties (clubs) are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that football Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona has a €700M release clause for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club in the same country does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country, the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid and may demand a higher figure – as was the case when Roberto Firmino moved from Hoffenheim to Liverpool for more than his “release clause”.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another and about the legal proximity of the buying side.

And finally, "buy back clauses". The most common way is that for a fixed period, typically two or three years, the selling club will have the opportunity to match any offer made (if the player is to be sold) by another club and buy back the player if he agrees. Rarely, clubs have the opportunity to buy a player back at a fixed price when a player is put up for sale of a two or three year period (this is what Chelsea used with a couple of players although they later negotiated a deal which gave them a percentage of the sale, as was the case with Bertrand Traoré moving from Lyon to Aston Villa). Finally there is a very uncommon variant of this where by the club have the opportunity to buy back the player at a fixed fee in year one, a different fixed fee in year two and another different fixed fee in year three if put up for sale. This was used by Barcelona when Oriol Romeu was sold to Chelsea.}

1.) 04 Nov 2020 12:31:42
I tell you what ed002 you are one serious mush I take my hat off to you fella 👏👏👏.

2.) 04 Nov 2020 13:31:14
ED02 regarding release clauses didn't Luis Saurez have one in the region of 40 million which Arsenal triggered but Liverpool refused to accept or did i dream that.

{Ed002's Note - It is correct that the Liverpool owners did not honour the contract.}

3.) 05 Nov 2020 00:06:30
I doff my cap to you Ed002 for the full explanation you gave to Ducksy, good read that.

4.) 05 Nov 2020 06:48:26
Brilliant Ed. Thank you very much. Bet dear old Jimmy H. Never thought the demons he was releasing those years ago. Gone are the days of 'I will buy the butties' wages.



20 Aug 2019 08:59:46
From what I saw last night, we are currently behind Man Utd and Wolves. Add into that Spurs, City, Liverpool and Arsenal, that leaves us once again fighting as best of the rest, including Chelsea and Leicester at the moment. Said before season start, that League progress would be finishing at best 7th. Long hard season ahead.


1.) 20 Aug 2019 09:40:49
Wow, that is some leap of doom you have made right there?

Just so I'm clear, on the basis of one game between 2 teams who are not Everton on the 2nd weekend of a football season. You now know it will be a long hard season? Really?

Are you ignoring the fact that most teams play better against better opposition, us included?

Or that judging 2 teams level based on a match between them with no other form to qualify the standard of said two teams is simply ridiculous?

2.) 20 Aug 2019 10:30:27
Are we behind them because they play prettier football?

3.) 20 Aug 2019 10:55:16
Can you quantify how you think we are behind Man U and wolves? Particularly as were level on points with Man U and 2 points ahead of wolves
Think you need to reassess either after 10 games or so or when we’ve actually played any of the so called top 6.

4.) 20 Aug 2019 12:57:29
That is just a plain daft no one can possibly know where we will end up, we have to give it at least till after the Chiistmas period to see ourselves and all the others before any sort of judgement can be made, incidentally because Chelsea are near the bottom of the league now does it mean they will finish outside the top Seven, I think not, let's chill out for a while.

5.) 20 Aug 2019 13:09:24
I will reassess of course GingerDan etc! . Our performance against Watford was not the best as some of those at the game will attest to particularly 2nd half. Plus's Moise is going to be some player for us, Mina (I am pleased) is proving me wrong. My opinion watching other Teans games is that currently we will do well to finish 7th. That is improvement and of course, I want us to hopefully finish in the top 6. Is that better. Your rose tinteds are steamed up.

6.) 20 Aug 2019 13:35:53
Well like I have said before it all comes down to winning games and scoring goals looking at our team can see us struggling dcl ain’t a prolific goal scorer Walcott again not doing enough so pressure on kean sigg of the boil Richarlison hope gets a few with all this I can see top 8.

7.) 20 Aug 2019 13:56:48
I just don't understand how you came to this conclusion. What exactly did you see last night that shows we are worse than Wolves and UTD?
Wolves have been vastly outplayed in large parts of both matches (Leics and UTD) . They do have some quality there and are capable of punishing a team out of nowhere, but on the whole they do not look like a team to fear.
Utd are looking decent enough and cannot be taken lightly, but also do not look like a team who can seriously challenge at the top. If a defense stay strong and eliminate counter attacks then Utd look like a team who will pick up a tonne of draws and not so many wins.
At this juncture, to think that we are so far behind those 2 teams either shows a deliberate attempt to slag off our club or a complete lack of reading a game.

8.) 20 Aug 2019 18:50:58
Totally agree Worcester mate, my Brother is a Woves supporter and he also said they were riding their luck for most of last nights game and only drew because of Pogba missing a penalty, absolute nonsense from Dfs.

9.) 20 Aug 2019 19:40:22
Guys. To be fair to DFS we are all making a few predictions- where we will finish etc and he has done just the same, albeit a lees optimistic one. I don’t agree with DFS but that’s just opinions. I think Wolves for all their endeavour last season will be different due to Thursday games.

United were superior but not unbeatable. And we have Goodison. Molinoux is no where near as intimidating.

10.) 20 Aug 2019 21:15:08
1 nil to the Arsenal, not pretty but we all know how boring and unattractive that football was, however you do not get bonus points for silky play so judging a team after two games is crazy.

I have seen Everton play some great football and come away with a draw.

We are unbeaten, will get better, but picking points up early doors is an added bonus.

11.) 20 Aug 2019 21:33:08
I agree Big Nev, under Martinez we would batter teams, then be left with a kick in the crown jewels (2-2 vs Arsenal, 3-4 vs Stoke) . 4 points, 2 clean sheets and all with virtually no minutes for our new signings, i think we have made a great start. also playing well isn't just about scoring goals, the boys have been great at the back.

12.) 20 Aug 2019 23:35:11
Ducksfly, not sure about the tinted glasses to Ginger, he is going off 2 games, no losses and no goals conceded, any team that is not firing on all cylinders yet come away undefeated is a big positive.

The only team in the premiership yet to concede a goal.

Add to that the new signings who are still getting up to speed which will only improve and make the team stronger still.

We all have a moan when we lose but for the time being enjoy the ride while it lasts.

I am with Ginger and a few more posters, along with Ed25 who can see the green shoots of recovery.

Knock Everton when they are down, but at least give them credit for the run in form, since-the turn of the year after the cup defeat.

13.) 21 Aug 2019 11:46:43
This was a ridiculous post ducks mate. Its one game. One game. I believe we will finish above Wolves.

14.) 21 Aug 2019 17:14:49
Couldn't agree more blue tit. Basing it on one game is ludicrous billscrocdiletears. Our new signings have barely played and some of our better players haven't been great so far but we have 4 points from 2 games. We, like most teams to be fair, will improve as the season goes on so to be making doom and gloom precictions at this stage is stupid.

15.) 22 Aug 2019 11:02:00
Ridiculous post we are not behind them, I have not seen anything from Utd to suggest they are any better, wolves are a very good team and had a great season but I think playing in Europe will have an effect on them at some point in the season, our major problem last season was what Marco picked upon that December to February was our most costly period in terms of pts picked up, the Liverpool defeat was damaging as we did not recover from that game even though the performance was good and it was ironic that the following fixture spurred us on to some great performance s and results. We need to convert more of our chances to win more games, we had joint 3rd most clean sheets with 14 and have 2 so far this season so defensively I think we are pretty solid.
I think top 4 is not going to happen but top 6 is a yes from me this season.

16.) 02 Sep 2019 08:58:52
hows this looking now? man united now off to an average at best start? and wolves (so be it have had the demands of europe hinder them abit) only have three points on the board?



15 Jun 2018 19:32:35
I will start the pessimism. The World Cup has started and finishes on 15th July. Clubs report back for pre-season around that time, with many Club International players given extra time off. Already pre-World Cup we have seen transfers happening except with us. We have a brand new Team in place and I have no doubt in my mind they have previewed the situation at Everton for months. Yet no movement on the transfer front. The common demoninator here is the one remaining old Guard.


{Ed002's Note - Would you rather Everton simply purchased new players, doesn't matter who they are, quickly to appease the fans, or would you rather they try to obtain the players they want? In the interim, they also have to figure out what money they have available. Currently they have players to sell and players to loan, they are paying the wages of three managers and several backroom staff and they will neeed to pay something like €75k per week towards Wayne Rooney's wages in Washington DC.}

1.) 15 Jun 2018 20:01:29
Transfers happening except us? Sorry that's rubbish!

2.) 15 Jun 2018 20:08:02
Understand your frustration dfs. It’s annoying to hear others lining up players already but I suppose they have been doing it since last summer (or longer) whereas Brands been in place for less than a month.

Think we are all hopeful of strengthening the squad but makes sense that we’ll need to offload some first to free up wages.

If it takes time, it takes time. At least the inflated prices in August are less of a deterrent with Moshiri’s money. Let’s just hope we don’t have a fiasco like Sigs again.

Currently watching Carvalho for Portugal and not seeing what the hype is yet. Maybe we shouldn’t rush in.

3.) 15 Jun 2018 20:32:12
Give it a rest Dfs.

4.) 15 Jun 2018 20:07:17
Agree with you there ed002 i'm sure things are happening behind the scenes we have a squad that we need to trim and a wage bill to reduce. And we still have Marco to meet to players and put his stamp on the team let's just relax wait and things will happen.

5.) 15 Jun 2018 21:34:42
I stand admonished and corrected Ed002, You and your obvious insight I respect. Yet again lack of communication is the issue. The rags seem to be setting the agenda. GB stop jumping on the band wagon.

6.) 15 Jun 2018 22:09:04
bluereason Sigs a good player no where near a failure, played out of position. Klaasen a good player. Carvalho, yep pretty average.

7.) 15 Jun 2018 22:14:12
Chill people. We’re already better off with Brands and Silva. The pieces will fall into place. We already saw what manic buying at the full price rack got us last season.

8.) 15 Jun 2018 22:42:14
Sorry DFS - I meant the fiasco around the time it took to sign him.

9.) 15 Jun 2018 23:32:45
Need to learn from our mistakes boys. We’re not Man U - we can’t simply pick the players we want and sign them up in 48 hours. We’re battling against other, similar clubs for signatures. We need to know we can get rid of certain players before others come in. Relax, have faith in Brands and Silva.

10.) 15 Jun 2018 23:44:29
I second the motion.

11.) 16 Jun 2018 07:10:05
So you really think BK stood there saying, no, no, no. Whilst Moshiri, Marcel and Marco try to sign players, speak with agents etc? Really? The paranoia and lack of any kind of patience amongst some blues is frightening. The manager probably hasn’t even met half the players yet. We were all chuffed last summer with the early signings - look what happened. Worries me that so called fans already looking to complain before M and M have even kicked a ball. This is going to take time. Just try and have a little patience before trying to start the negativity.

{Ed025's Note - well said dave, they remind me of corporal jones from dads army, listen guys...."dont panic, dont panic", this is a process that might take a bit of time so lets just let the club do their thing and enjoy the ride..

12.) 16 Jun 2018 08:01:35
Ed025, how are Everton perceived by other teams in the transfer market?

Do we have a reputation like Levy/ are we considered hard to deal with/ do clubs think we rip them off/ are we seen as fair to deal with?

(My thoughts are directed at why it sometimes seems to take so long to sort out long term targets and a couple of high profile dealings like this in media over the last few years)

{Ed025's Note - since moshiri we are seen as a bit of a soft touch BR, they know hes prepared to back his managers and wont baulk at over inflated prices which is why we paid top dollar for some very average players last season, BK was seen as a levy type to deal with and teams knew where they stood with him and that everton looked for bargain basement signings, brands coming in will change a lot of that as he is well respected and savvy mate..

13.) 16 Jun 2018 08:10:16
Agree with Bluereason Carvalho played the same role as Schneiderlin in last night's game and as much as it pains me to say this, he was no better than Schneiderlin in what he did. No point in wasting money on a like for like player.

14.) 16 Jun 2018 11:22:15
Maybe schneiderlin will be the player we know he can be, have to wonder what effect playing under 3 managers has on a player.

As for the lack of anything it always is around world cup an average player becomes an overnight sensation, a good player looks average, personally getting it right comes before splashing millions again.

I'm sure brands Silva Moshi and kenwright have sat there and said this is the plan, this is how we do it and will have timeframes in mind but our part in all this is support, and if possible patience. As there is little else we can do.

15.) 16 Jun 2018 12:03:48
I to wasn't to impressed with carvalho thought he was a little slow but also think we should judge him on his next matches as he was up against exceptional midfielders in inesta, Silva and isco and not many midfieldes could contain them on the form they where last night.

16.) 16 Jun 2018 12:10:38
I’d rather we sold loads of the deadwood and buy one or two this season. Last season was shocking re transfer business. Just buying players it seemed with no strategy or plan. Also ended up paying well over the odds for some. For example Sigurdsson £45M and 150K a week. He’s good on his day but 29 I think no resale value and not worth that kind of money or wages. That Sandro apparently on 100K a week. Mirallas 70 ish. It’s ridiculous. Need to realise at moment we’re 7th all day and without a proper plan and just scatter gun approach we’ll become a laughing stock soon. If not already. Time for patience from all concerned. I started going the match with my arl fella in 70s when Ipswich were turning us over 4-0 at home. He always said our time will come. It did. Mid 1980s. Everyone needs to just settle in! Rant over! Enjoy the World Cup and let people paid more than us worry about EFC transfer policy!

17.) 16 Jun 2018 12:52:37
Negativity and jibes at Kenwright again. What a surprise.
I would rather big Sam returns to save us again this season than read anything else from you, that's how dire your posts have been of late.

18.) 16 Jun 2018 14:14:20
Agree Worcester mate very poor posts from Dfs, this is a great at time to be be a Blue, not a time for negativity.

19.) 16 Jun 2018 14:27:35
Just to add to my above posts just look at how thumbs negativity gets, end of.

20.) 16 Jun 2018 15:17:02
To his credit, dfs did alter his stance after Ed002's response.

The BK haters are beyond my comprehension.

Let's hope that when we sit round the negotiating table, we put out the finest biscuits and not the value range - must be the reason why we always seem to take so long.

21.) 16 Jun 2018 17:29:56
Sorry dfs but I think you need to remove that massive BK chip off your shoulders and just relax a little.

22.) 16 Jun 2018 20:14:16
Amen to that Big H mate.

23.) 17 Jun 2018 15:00:31
Ed02 reply to me is sensible and a very good reply, just cannot understand why there are so many thumbs down for it.

We need to learn from last season, where we seemed to sign a player a Day.

We look to have the left back ready to sign, after the World Cup .

I am sure a centre half, a more commanding midfielder and an additional forward are the tweaks we need.

But agree with Ed, we need to offload some players so it’s a case of balancing and not going all guns ho signing players quick, for the sake of it.



25 May 2018 09:10:17
I am on comment of not being particularly enamoured of having Marco Silva as Head Coach (I believe that is what he is under DoF Brands) but as that appears to be the wish of the Club so be it and of course I 100 percent will support. Having said that, I do not understand the statement 'Everton continue pursuit of Silva', is he a free agent or not?




24 May 2018 21:41:54
Everton were keen (quite right too) for their new DoF to run the rule off a few candidates before pressing ahead with the recruitment of Silva. I wonder if one of those candidates was Benitez.


1.) 25 May 2018 14:14:01
Wouldn’t we have to get permission to do that from Newcastle. I can’t see them allowing that without a media fuss.




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22 Mar 2022 23:18:34
I wasn't into this Ashley Cole defensive coach bit, we need a Stubbs or that ilk, FB's, WB's don't marshall the line, CB's do that. I am though in the Frank has his tactics right camp, first twenty minutes we are at it, then it falls apart. The weakness is lack of on field leadership.


1.) 23 Mar 2022 07:49:26
I agree it's lack of on field leadership and when it comes to that size does not matter. Ball wasn't the biggest player. Neither was Kendall, Harvey, Reid, Cahill and their ilk but god help you if you didn't work your socks off

The same with coaching for me. I couldn't care less how big you are if you can explain a plan and implement it with the players

What we are missing is that fight, that bloody minded mentality to get back into a game, that desire to put things right if you make a mistake, and belief that you can do it

We need one team, eleven leaders on the pitch.

2.) 23 Mar 2022 08:36:38
They just don't pick themselves up when they go a goal down, they see the match as over, it seems they cannot see themselves scoring full stop and just wait for the second goal to be scored etc. .

3.) 23 Mar 2022 10:34:45
I agree BBTGD and that's the fear

We have to find that belief or we are in deep, deep trouble.



20 Mar 2022 07:32:26
3 points out of the last p. ible 9. Would anyone care to say where our remaining points needed for survival are coming from.


1.) 20 Mar 2022 08:13:55
Looking at the bottom 4 now my only concern would be Burnleys goal difference.
By the time we play West Ham Burnley will have played Man City and Watford play Liverpool.
It could look a bit better for us before we even play again essentially giving us a free hit against West Ham.
If they both lose to the top 2 which is highly likely then I'd take 2 draws from West ham and Burnley.
That would put us 6 clear of Burnley and most likely a better goal difference and 4 clear of Watford with a much better goal difference and 2 games in hand.
If we can win one of those 2, preferably against Burnley then I think we're just about safe.

2.) 20 Mar 2022 08:48:29
1 from 15 in Rafas last 5 games for us, so whilst 3 from 9 isn’t great it’s still an improvement.

But as we’re in the cup today not sure why want to bring a downer on the day dfs- surely just enjoy todays game and worry about where points may or may not be coming from after today?

3.) 20 Mar 2022 09:02:56
Well explained smit mate, good post.

4.) 20 Mar 2022 09:26:25
Get belted in for a roller coaster ride until the end of the season

What Smitt says is right but we will not be safe until we are mathematically safe and the others have all shown they can put a run of wins together - we haven't for months now so for me it's still hope and pray rather than quietly confident just now.

5.) 20 Mar 2022 10:20:25
Just asked the question gingerdan. Called realism.



12 Mar 2022 23:37:40
Next two Prem games are at least 4 points. Fail to achieve that and we need three teams to do worse. How has if come to this.


1.) 13 Mar 2022 01:26:18
Thank Rafa and Michael Keane.

{Ed0666's Note - Not forgetting Brands, Carlo, Fat Sam, Martinez, Silva, Unsworth, Koeman, Big Dunc, Kenwright

2.) 13 Mar 2022 07:07:33
I wanted Rafa, believing he could turn us around, alas his stubborness brought disharmony and disruption. Yes other factors were no doubt involved. I do believe the Club left it far to late in letting him go. I haven't checked back far enough but isn't Rafa's record the lowest?

3.) 13 Mar 2022 12:17:21
Ed, out of that list sadly only Sam Allardice delivered on his promise. Pains me to say!

{Ed0666's Note - I remember the halcyon days mate of Howard Kendall, Mountfield and the one and only Neville Southall. What a keeper he was. Bloody hell he was. Would it be wrong for me to say he was one of the best 10 goalkeepers to play football in the world ever?? I really think he was that good.

4.) 13 Mar 2022 14:29:44
Carlo got to 59 points with this team. So we were in a solid position to build from.



27 Feb 2022 07:29:36
The Team (Iwobi) played very well against the top side. Keane's mistake was unfortunate, balance and wrong footed. A little more composure from Kenny (wild, panicked shot) and we could have built. Franks job is to somehow instil into their heads that they are good players home and away. Replicate that effort in remaining 14 games and we will be okay.


{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

1.) 27 Feb 2022 08:47:23
Agree mate, it’s funny how the handball rule works for some and not others it was a penalty all day long.

2.) 27 Feb 2022 09:57:47
Nobody can blame Keane, no central defender would of expected Holgate to miss kick the ball back into the goal area such a shame as a draw would of be a fair result for both sides
Let’s hope that this performance kicks on the remaining games of the season.

3.) 27 Feb 2022 09:58:58
It depends who the dirty cheat is making the decision unfortunately for us it was the dirty manc cheat kavanagh.



20 Feb 2022 14:40:52
I will take it on the chin! I think Lampard has to be given the chance to become our new Moyes.


1.) 20 Feb 2022 15:54:12
That’s the best statement you have said in ages mate, agree totally he is the ideal manager for us, young, hungry, new ideas and also a completely new Backroom staff to help our players improve.

2.) 20 Feb 2022 16:02:00
In what way? Not to win anything?

{Ed0666's Note - that made me spit out my cereal ?

3.) 20 Feb 2022 16:53:19
Moyes didn't have 2 pennies to rub together so who knows how many trophies he may or may not have won . . . Hey Ed last time I spat out my cereal was when me mum gave 'Allbran and not my favorite 'sugar puffs' I was about errm, oh yeah 6 at the time . . ? ?.

{Ed001's Note - Moyes spent the 5th most and Everton had the 5th biggest wage bill in his time. It is nonsense that he wasn't given money to spend.}

4.) 20 Feb 2022 17:16:15
His wage bill may have been high, his transfer muscles hardly existed compared to the teams who 'were' winning trophies and titles and paying out much higher wages at that time I would imagine.

{Ed001's Note - as I said, he had the 5th highest transfer spend. It is a total fabrication to suggest he never had money to spend. I don't know why this nonsense keeps coming up, he had a decent budget for the time. The problems with Moyes were all of his own making, he had no ambition and kept playing too defensively to take any kind of step forward. He also was totally uninterested in the youngsters and allowed an extremely distasteful off-field attitude to build up in the academy which resulted in a huge problem of players coming through with addiction issues. The man has shown what kind of morals he has by continuing to pick Zouma. I really do not understand why some Everton fans still think he was all that great. Perhaps you forget about the time you were losing to (IIRC) Spurs and he took off a striker for a midfielder and parked the bus instead of trying to get a goal back? That was why he failed to go any further than he did with Everton, nothing to do with finances.}

5.) 20 Feb 2022 17:36:48
Pretty sure we had a net spend of just over 10mill whilst he was at the club Ed.

6.) 20 Feb 2022 17:36:48
Pretty sure we had a net spend of just over 10mill whilst he was at the club Ed.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, net spend is a bad way to view transfer spend as it doesn't take into account associated costs. One £10m transfer can cost way more than another due to them. Unless all of those are included net spend will be guesswork. But you have to remember spending was comparatively lower then as well.}

7.) 20 Feb 2022 17:48:26
I don't regard him as great Ed far from it, I do feel he brought a stability to the club which was previously lacking and then some.
However the Zouma thing doesn't sit well with me either I have to say mate.

{Ed001's Note - I agree he did do that, initially, but he was there too long and the club had begun to stagnate under him. I don't think Lampard is the answer either, but going back to Moyes certainly isn't, no matter how well he has done at West Ham. I know they are impressing but again they gave him money to spend and it is his fault they are struggling now as he refuses to bring in a striker, even though the only one at the club is actually a winger who he shoved up front because they didn't have any! His dithering in the transfer market cost you time and time again, and held you back.}

8.) 20 Feb 2022 18:40:23
My point was we need a few years of stability, not to have Moyes back. As for the Zouma stupidity, I remember a certain cannibal that continued to be picked by the red half.

{Ed001's Note - and I wouldn't have done that either, not sure what your point is other than to be a bit of an arse?}

9.) 20 Feb 2022 18:43:23
I've no idea if he is the right man or wrong man yet, he deserves time to fail with potentially disastrous consequences or we gain stability and start moving forwards, so far 5 managers have failed to get a tune out of this lot so to expect Frank to do it overnight is madness.
We still need a decent striker also 2 no nonsense central defenders, our plight didn't happen overnight it's been in the making since moshru started throwing money left right and centre on poor recruitment, where not to big to get relegated and it might just be the reset button we so badly need.

10.) 20 Feb 2022 19:12:49
We cannot afford to get relegated.

{Ed0666's Note - yes but imagine the craic in Liverpool if you did. I’m not sure if I could remain as impartial on here as I am if that fate did befall you Woburn.

11.) 20 Feb 2022 19:26:38
If Moshiri wasn’t letting himself be guided by Usmanov and an agent we wouldn’t be in half the trouble we are now. Also letting Benitez make seismic decisions when everyone knew he’d be gone was baffling.

Totally agree it will take time to fix and while I’m not convinced Frank is the answer, someone needs time to sort this squad out and get us playing. We need to stop thinking we should be competing for Europe and secure survival this season with the aim of top half next season. Until the likes of Holgate, Keane, Gomes and Kenny are gone (plus many more) we can’t expect any more.

{Ed0666's Note - apart from picking from a profoundly sub standard squad (which was not his fault) what seismic decisions did Rafa make? Oh he got rid of goldennuts Digne which generated money so you could bring in players in the January transfer window.

12.) 20 Feb 2022 19:40:12
Think you're forgetting that Rafa seen off Brands just weeks before getting sacked himself. Not to mention he tore up the medical department.

{Ed0666's Note - I think he probably did you a favor on both counts

13.) 20 Feb 2022 19:41:15
If you stopped being ''impartial'' Ed666, then I would have something to say about it. . . I mean all your past objective input would immediately go down the pan, we just can't have that now can we? ?.

{Ed0666's Note - no we can’t mate ?

14.) 20 Feb 2022 19:47:20
Whether Frank is the answer or not the answer, we just don't know, the man is only just getting his head around how the players he has perform, the vast majority have not been in a relegation battle so it's new territory here and all bets are off atm surely?

15.) 20 Feb 2022 21:37:43
Lampard must be given time no matter what.

As for Moyes, he was here too long but he did a good job with what he had. Problem is when he did have money, he bought duds often. Beattie, Johnson, Koldrup, Jelavic etc. got rid of Beckford too soon and played Bilyaletdinov in the wrong position.

Also caused us to miss out on Haaland. Yay.

And Ed001 is right about the youth. Not that our academy was great during his time, Rooney aside, most didn’t amount to anything. Unless you count Forshaw who has done well. Garbutt and Green had potential but didn’t make it where they should have. Only standout is Barkley and he’s ultimately been a disappointment overall.

But still, maybe we would’ve got more through if he gave them a chance, maybe if he would’ve integrated them in the first team training more often.

He got us Baines, Jagielka, Distin and Cahill. So I’m forever grateful.

16.) 21 Feb 2022 00:05:21
I would love to be back consistent top 7. Moyes gave us that, I think if we survive Lampard could do the same. Thanks for the clever response of 'arse' Ed.

{Ed001's Note - then don't act like one bringing in something utterly irrelevant to have a childish dig.}




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07 May 2022 00:14:59
The problem is the imposition of FFP.




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29 Apr 2022 19:22:03
Coached by Dunc, or so DCL says, My view DCL looks like Rondons Grandson. No way DCL can emulate DF and Everton don't play that way. Not going Sunday (given away to a masochist) , off to Pub with Son to get royally. Worked and played football all over the World as an aside, amateur and semi-pro, I can honestly say some of those would have kicked this lots arses.




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23 Mar 2022 23:01:57
If Everton have him under contract how can Juventus sell him.




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22 Mar 2022 20:34:57
Recruited by Silva (look at Fulham) . Agree with Brownshoes, our best player by a mile and the hardest working.




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19 Feb 2022 09:49:40
Read it in context. 'If' he helps us stay up. As Gingerdan says, let's not get carried away. We do this every time and then the misery and recrimination starts. AVB is a good player as are a few others, fact is two swallows and all that.





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17 May 2022 23:34:03
I wonder sometimes if any of you played football. The lad was the CB and was caught out. Just do your job is the mantra.




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17 May 2022 23:30:16
Used to be like that under Moyes, we were not brill but he didn't take any crap. But sorry to say if this lot Fup this time, the way this Club is run it is going to be a long haul back.




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10 May 2022 20:05:13
Ideal for our climate!




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09 May 2022 06:24:13
Still a lot to do. Watford already down so will/ can play with freedom, Brentford are on form, Arsenal everything to play for! Watford is the biggy. 2 big games for me and mine Wed, one to be Champions one to probably stay up.




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09 May 2022 06:17:33
BW has just described life.