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28 May 2024 15:32:34
This Phillips rumour is clearly a non-starter, where on earth would we find the money from to cover his wages? He's on £150k per week, we don't have that do we?
Maybe SD can pull of a blinder and suggest that City cover his wages in return Everton won't mention the 100+ charges of financial wrongdoing.
1.) 28 May 2024 21:11:12
How can a team afford to have players on £150k a week on the bench or as squad players? We are never going to be able to compete with that!
2.) 28 May 2024 23:38:19
I think you’d find it would be a percentage of his wages and I’d definitely take him, he’d work well in Dyche system.
3.) 29 May 2024 12:08:43
I really don't understand the hype about this lad and never have.
4 seasons in the PL. 1 goal and 3 assists. Everyone who rates him, raves about his passing, so you would expect the assists to be a little higher, surely. I know he is a DM but look at the numbers some other lads put up in the same position.
Rice - 22
Rodri - 20
I understand they are the top DM's, so here are some lesser names and some have hit these numbers over less seasons.
Bruno G - 14 (in 2 seasons)
Douglas Luiz - 17
JWP - 23
Gallagher - 17
Soucek - 9
Jensen - 12
Norgaard - 11
We already have bad luck with injuries and this lad is another made of paper. His professionalism has been called into question by Pep, as he was seen as overweight when he couldn't get into the City team.
Moyes and Dyche aren't worlds apart in their styles and he couldn't even get into West Ham's 11.
Man City would probably cover 50% of his wages and that would still sit him on 75k a week.
He would represent another terrible signing imo and would be a case of not learning our lessons again. There are much better options out there that are cheaper, more reliable and come with way less risk of hitting the ground running.
4.) 29 May 2024 14:20:39
To be devil's advocate. He strikes me as one of those players who is on his own baffling to most and uninteresting in every (sorry SD speak) metric but makes those around him shine. Stats can be a load of old tosh to the water carriers. The guy made Leeds click made England click for a while and scored a massive move to the worlds No1 club at the request of Pep G! . Not sure how he's not good enough for a relegation club like us all of a sudden. Sure he's had a bad loan at Wham but long injury and then added to no football for best part of a year it's not really surprising he didn't shine in a few starts and some sub appearances. He was also notably fat. If we can get him cheap cheap cheap and City sub most of his wage then I'd have him in a flash. Could be a clever move by city to find him a team where the squad is thin and he will get minutes and a lot of minutes to find some form to boost his resale value and help get some of the £45m back. At the moment he's barely worth £10. A fit Philips is a good replacement for Onana/ Gomes. Oh and he shares stats with em too for those of you that like that sort of thing.
5.) 29 May 2024 16:53:48
All fair points mate. It's not that I don't think he is good enough for us. I just think that given our current restrictions in the market we can ill afford another big/ biggish name to come in and not deliver. The fact that he let himself get overweight when he is a professional athlete at arguably the best club in the world screams all the wrong things. It is integral that we get our loan spots right this season and avoid another Danjuma type.
I think at least some part of the City move may have had something to do with the fact he ticked the homegrown box and they were thin on the ground in that position at the time having lost Fernandinho.
Personally I would rather avoid the uncertainty over whether he can recapture the form that made City go after him and go after Ndidi with instead. He wouldn't cost a penny in terms of a fee. He is still a good age. He has much more experience in the league than Phillips. Always posted cracking numbers defensively, some seasons out performing Gana. Seems to have picked up attacking numbers this season just gone, albeit in a lesser league but it can't be underestimated the added confidence this will give him moving forward.
It is much easier to get a solid player in the CDM position than the attacking positions. I think using a loan on the attacking mid or wide player is wise, as those players come at a premium, at least the ones that can make a difference to the team. Trying to get somebody that is surplus to requirements at one of the bigger sides on loan is a better bet for me.
{Ed025's Note - if KP was on a free and he would play for £10 a week i would still say no, bloody awful player..
6.) 30 May 2024 11:52:23
Think we would be signing another Delle Alli for me. To much to young, hyped as the next big thing for England and believed all the hype.
24 Jun 2023 18:33:37
We seem to be getting linked with the entire Leeds' squad. Probably just lazy journalism with the latest being Rodrigo. Ok so he scored a bit but he's 32 and on £100kp/ w. Surely surely this cannot be true. Have we learnt nothing?
1.) 24 Jun 2023 19:42:58
Rodrigo and gnoto being heavily linked today.
If Rodrigo does have a £3m release fee then may not be a bad purchase.
Gnoto looks like could be a very good player but think I saw something that said he would cost £20m+ so can’t see that one happening unless we move someone on.
2.) 24 Jun 2023 19:58:13
Rodrigo would be good at that price mate.
3.) 24 Jun 2023 20:21:19
Didn’t realise it was £3m. That’s good money actually.
4.) 25 Jun 2023 10:04:32
So pay a 32 year old 100k a week, with absolutely no sell on value? Haven’t we been down this road before?
5.) 25 Jun 2023 12:57:48
This was my original point. £3m isn’t excessive but £100k p/ w for a 32 year old looking for a final payday?
6.) 25 Jun 2023 15:41:21
Agree it seems crazy wages, especially at his age. Is that what he's on now? Surely other clubs won't offer that? But even if it was that. if you said 2 year contract at 100k a week with a £3m purchase that'd mean it's cost us £13m for the whole deal - not terrible value!
7.) 26 Jun 2023 07:38:04
If 13m is the eventual final figure, and he get us double figures each season, then that wouldn't be a waste of money. There are better players out there but we are in a pretty rubbish situation at the moment, so just get us someone who gets us goals. We miss/ need that so much.
8.) 28 Jun 2023 11:49:27
No sell on value? look at our history with players with sell on value, Siggy, Mina, Bolasie, Besic. think he'd be a good budget signing but more of a wide forward than a CF. Don't think Gnoto is worth it and he's def a winger.
05 Jun 2023 19:23:44
Hi Eds, with Ainsley Maitland-Niles being available on a free, do you think Everton will make an offer for him?
{Ed002's Note - Ainsley Maitland-Niles (RM/CM/RWB) Out of contract with agent offering him around - may look to the continent with no EPL interest right now. Perhaps a promoted side?}
1.) 05 Jun 2023 20:22:06
Cheers Ed.
14 May 2023 13:02:14
HOLGATE!
27 Aug 2022 10:15:19
Hi Eds, is there any news on more outgoings? Still think we could do with shifting a few more.
{Ed002's Note - Possibly:
Allan (CM/DM) The player has shared a desire to return to Italy and Everton are looking at options for midfield and have a couple of players in mind. The sale of Allen would depend on the price which is falling away and clubs accepting a player whois 31. It might be tough to find a buyer. Given he is in to his 30s he will become harder to sell. Being offered around - Roma and Lazio could be interested.
Andre Gomes (CM) Roma or Sevilla may offer a viable way out of Everton for Gomes. Mr Mourinho is a long-time admirer. Everton are open to a sale but neither side would want to pay too much. Rome had offered Gonzalo Villa and some cash but that went nowhere. It will be a case of finding an acceptable offer.
Anthony Gordon (LW) Everton will resist a sale but will see interest from Spurs and Newcastle. On a long list of wide options for Chelsea as he is liked by the coach. Agent could offer him to Crystal Palace as a long term Zaha replacement - he has a very good relationship with them but CP will look to extend his contract.}
1.) 27 Aug 2022 11:09:16
Cheers Ed. Hopefully we can get Gomes and Allan off the wage bill and get some cash too!
2.) 27 Aug 2022 11:59:58
Offer Gordon to Palace? Is he that keen to get out?
3.) 27 Aug 2022 17:05:51
Isn't any offer and acceptable offer for gomes? I'd let him go on a free. I'd probably let Allan go on a free as well or an extremely low offer. Better than paying his wages for another season him playing a bit part then leaving on a free anyway.
4.) 27 Aug 2022 18:17:35
I think Alan offers grit and bite when we need to be more feisty. Our record is sign someone then they get injured. Gomez JGB offered nothing. Keep Alan unless we get a few quid proper. Saying that Alan must have had a falling out with Frank. He's fit? Davies getting all the game time he's much much better than Davies.
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23 Sep 2024 20:33:32
If Dyche does go (if the take over actually happens) who do people want to take over? I'd like to see Carlos Corberan personally but can't see it happening.
1.) 23 Sep 2024 20:56:57
Depends who the dof is he needs to pick our next manager so they can implement a style of play and all pull in the same direction with a 5 year plan footballs simple when there is a plan a solid unit.
2.) 23 Sep 2024 21:28:10
I would welcome any manager who is tactically astute, understands shape, both defensively and offensively and someone who has a clear way of playing
but is not afraid to intelligently adapt his gameplan to best go about winning games of football depending on the strengths of the opposition.
Maybe that is a bit too much to ask, so just somebody who will have a go and play attacking and high intensity football. There are many different philosophies/ styles that could fall into that bracket though Swinners.
O'Neil would be my preferred option. Wolves not doing great at the minute but I think they are ran poorly like us. Their recruitment policies are criminal due to the ownership and preference for certain agents. They have also had their best talent ripped away from them.
I like O'Neil's intelligence and attention to the details. I watched his breakdown of his wins against Bournemouth and Man City on SS. It is evident that he has a clear way of playing. He drills down into every little detail and you can see his desire and passion for the game.
Corberan, Fonseca would be other options that would improve us.
Tbh not really fussed who we get mate as long as they have an attacking impetus and a modern approach to the game, unlike the current dinosaur we are having to suffer.
3.) 24 Sep 2024 09:41:21
I've been anti SD forever and the usual backlash to that stance was "you can stick your tippy tappy footy up ya ar99" It's finally time to answer that. There are more than 2 ways to play the game. I actually very much believe in a very solid team and one that has a reputation for rarely conceding. However I don't like aimless crosses and I don't like our only strength being that we are mediocre at set pieces.
I have no problem playing the top 6 and letting them have the ball. But you can't play the bottom teams like that, you have to be aggressive and you have to try to dominate those games. Win lose or draw it's 14 teams 28.games a season we must be setup to try to command the game.
We have a squad that's capable in my eyes of playing much more effectively and we turn up holding on for dear life from the first whistle. Hoof ball is as grotesque to me as this so called tippy tappy. i'd personally like something in the middle. Play a long ball if it's on but keep the ball more and set up to win more.
I can't wait for next season and hopefully we can start to mildly entertain and to score a couple on consecutive games and heck maybe even go a calendar month or 2 as unbeaten?
Even i'd have given SD a chance if his way worked but it doesn't. Dreaming of starting match day truly believing anything is possible instead of the dread filled feelings of wasting my weekends and ruining my mood for my beloved EFC.
4.) 24 Sep 2024 13:01:17
I'd like to see G Potter given a chance. Southgate is a no no. At least Potter, with backing, could bring a new philosophy to the club. Southgate is just a puppet and he's been out of club football for years. He doesn't take risks and I think we've all had enough of that type of football. Give Potter time and resources and I believe he could be the man to take us up a level.
5.) 24 Sep 2024 14:10:32
I would also take Carsley.
Tactically capable and plays decent football. Added bonus is that he knows the club and what it/ we stand for, albeit, maybe not recently.
6.) 24 Sep 2024 19:19:23
May as well request Doris the Tea Lady take charge. We’ve no say really. The board will choose who they want. We will go along with whoever. It’s a massive shame if we get Southgate. Can’t watch England under him and certainly will struggle to watch us set up that way. He’s basically in the same mould as Dyche.
7.) 24 Sep 2024 22:49:56
Crawley could be a good shout if he doesn't get offered the England job.
8.) 25 Sep 2024 07:24:14
There's not one person out there who can have a go at Dyche for the work he's done over the past 2 years. The work he did last year in keeping us up with all that was going on was a miracle.
However, Thelwell has brought in a more progressive type of player for this season and therefore should have seen him adapt his style, but unfortunately he is not flexible in his style and has no ambition to improve as a manager.
Personally, I don't think Potter has the mental strength to manage a club like Everton. Personally, I think we need someone in the mould of a van gal. Not him obviously, but someone who is big bold, arrogant and has the temperament and broad shoulders to carry the expectations of the club.
Whoever it is, they have a huge exciting job full of reward if they get it right. I can't wait.
9.) 27 Sep 2024 16:13:02
Moyes until end of season and try find the next big thing.
15 Aug 2024 15:07:51
Textor given exclusivity; we go again!
30 Jul 2024 17:41:08
O’Brien has signed, well chuffed with that. Probs means JB is of though, but hopefully for good money.
1.) 30 Jul 2024 17:57:58
Is he going? I can't see him going until someone meets our valuation. At the moment it only seems like Man u interested but they are acting like they can't afford him.
Maybe he's just a Godfrey replacement.
2.) 30 Jul 2024 18:28:08
With you on that Smit especially if Keane and Holgate are off.
3.) 30 Jul 2024 19:09:42
Possibly 3 at the back ?♂️.
4.) 30 Jul 2024 19:17:11
I just hope holgate or Keane are going.
5.) 30 Jul 2024 19:32:41
Me too BR mate.
26 Jul 2024 14:52:09
If Lindstrøm has a great season can Napoli pull out of the deal or do they have to accept Everton’s €22.5m offer? Can another club can in with an offer and gazump Everton? Also could Everton then sell him immediately for more, say €40m?
1.) 26 Jul 2024 16:38:16
Let’s just see how he settles first. Could be rubbish; could set the world on fire. I’m expecting neither - just a solid season with a handful of goals and twice as many assists.
2.) 26 Jul 2024 16:56:39
I like the look of him tbh. Even he doesn’t put up top numbers he is a tidy and technical player who can keep hold of the ball well.
I think he is better than what we already have at our disposal by a long way.
Great that he can cover multiple positions and fit into multiple formations. Same with Ndiaye.
Options are something we have not had recently.
3.) 26 Jul 2024 17:27:52
Thing is we’ve not got two right footed (Lindstrøm and Ndiaye) and two left footed (McNeil and Harrison) attacking midfielders, which gives us plenty of options. Clearly didn’t work having McNeil and Harrison both as wide players in the same team, we needed some balance.
4.) 26 Jul 2024 18:27:10
Here is hoping the focus is back on supplying DCL (Beto) with chances like Ancelotti did. Then just need to pray they can finishe them this season.
5.) 27 Jul 2024 09:22:11
I'm actually hoping chermiti gets a good preseason under him I know it was only sligo but he looked confident when finishing and actually playing as a forward and not a 5 minute right wing sub. I'm hoping we have a decent player in this lad and given the chance will out score DCL and Beto.
6.) 27 Jul 2024 12:37:34
I agree Rob Mac, thought he was showing improvement in the games towards the end of the season.
7.) 27 Jul 2024 12:43:06
Let’s hope he does the same tonight.
23 Jul 2024 23:19:34
With Lindstrom coming in on loan I guess that mean Phillips won't be joining Everton this summer.
1.) 24 Jul 2024 07:23:58
Heard yesterday on talkspprt that the Harrison deal was a obligation to buy next summer for £11 million, not sure how true that is as not read or heard that before.
And potentially the Lundstrum deal could be obligation. So Phillips may well happen still swinners.
2.) 24 Jul 2024 08:05:52
For £11m, I could possibly get behind that. If we could get him on his favoured wing, he might start banging in a few.
3.) 24 Jul 2024 12:09:44
none of the above matters in terms of Phillips
because Lindstrom is a loan, why does that impact a potential loan deal for Phillips?
also an obligation for loan doesn't affect other loans, it's still a loan obligation or not?
not sure why signing a winger/ AM on loan would affect clubs approach for a CM/ DM on loan?
4.) 24 Jul 2024 13:01:40
It very matters WBlue as a obligation to buy would allow us to loan another, a option to buy is different as deemed as a loan.
5.) 24 Jul 2024 13:27:52
Premier League clubs are restricted to 2 loans. An obligation to buy does not count as a loan deal.
6.) 24 Jul 2024 14:36:45
people get this wrong every summer, the wording on the premier league website is awful
obligations to buy are still treated as loan deals, otherwise they wouldn't be called loan to buy
premier league clubs are allowed FOUR loans per season, but only TWO are allowed to be from domestic sides
EFC can still loan 2 more.
even go back to 13/ 14 as an example. none were loan to buy but we loaned Lukaku/ Barry/ Deulofeu/ Traore
2 domestic 2 foreign.
7.) 24 Jul 2024 15:00:59
The rules on loans changed a couple of seasons ago WBlue I believe.
Very confusing I agree, not sure if am right but that's my understanding.
Only 2 at any given time and maximum 4 in a season.
Obligation to buys don't class as a normal loan is my understanding, might be wrong.
8.) 24 Jul 2024 15:37:26
even the wording doesn't make sense though, only 2 at a given time and max of 4 per season.
burnley had more than 2 last season too, trust me it's 2 domestic max, 4 max overall
obligations to buy still class as a loan as it;s still classed as a loan that you've got him for, as Lindstrom will still be officially a Napoli player for 24/ 25 even if it was an obligation, he'd just be on loan at EFC until the obligation kicked in next summer
like Moise Kean was still our player whilst on loan at Juve even though it was an obligation.
9.) 24 Jul 2024 15:49:35
Not sure 100% either way WBlue mate. But am of the understanding it's 2 in only at any given time hense why we only had Danjuma and Harrison last season and couldn't get anyone else in even with the thin squad we had, and also again my understanding is the obligation to buy is different to a standard loan
Sure we will find out soon enough.
Think talkspprt might be getting confused to as said the Harrison loan was a obligation to buy next summer for £11 million, but just read Everton may look to purchase him this summer for £11million, that maybe is to create a loan space, perhaps Phillips.
Seems the Lundstrum deal is a option and not a obligation so deemed a loan, my understanding anyway.
10.) 24 Jul 2024 16:19:42
You do make a valid point on Burnley WBlue so perhaps you are correct.
Does make you wonder tho why for last 2 seasons we haven't maximised it if is as you say.
11.) 24 Jul 2024 13:46:15
Wblue2 all to do with the amount of loans a club can have at any one time.
Think it’s 2 at any one time but can be up to 4 over the season - however that may alter if there are obligations to buy in the deal?
Sure Ed002 has gone over this previously as it can get quite confusing.
12.) 24 Jul 2024 15:42:16
I believe Ed002 summed it up well the other year when Tottenham seemed to loan more players than allowed as some had obligations to buy which was basically just a permanent signing just delayed
Loans are just a pure loan with no set agreement to purchase.
13.) 24 Jul 2024 17:18:45
What I thought chaps, but he does make a valid point on Burnley,
They had Fofana, Assisnon, Larsen, Esteve all on loan at the same time, none of which are obligated to buy and all returned to parent clubs.
What's even more confusing is 1 was Domestic Fofana Chelsea) other 3 were from European leagues, assignon Rennes and Esteve Montpellier with Larsen from Hoffenheim) which contradicts the written rule and explanation given.
All very confusing as per usual and no clarity.
Sorry WBlue you may well be correct but still unsure this end?.
14.) 24 Jul 2024 17:27:09
Sorry my mistake Esteve has since joined Burnley permanently but wasn't a obligation apparently.
Further confusing is Assignon, Fofana and Esteve all signed on loan for Burnley in the January transfer window ending on Feb 1st.
Larsen joined on loan July 2023.
Now am very confused! ??.
15.) 24 Jul 2024 21:11:11
I thought you had to pass Go, collect a community chest token where it’s your birthday then but up two stations and The Strand. Only then can you pick up from the ‘chance’ deck and if it says you are allowed to loan a player, you can…
Let’s just leave the club to sort out what they can. I’m sure they will do everything they can to maximise the squad so try not to get bogged down in reading the fine print of the monopoly rules and just hope we can get in some players to help improve the team.
16.) 25 Jul 2024 08:19:31
there's loads of factors, but it's 1000% more than 2 trust me, i've asked people in the past who work in the recruitment game
not sure what the max is, and maybe i'm wrong on the obligation side
but yeah it's more than 2.
why it was slightly frustrating last year seeing us only use 2.
26 Sep 2024 22:35:39
Even if it’s done tomorrow it’s doesn’t mean there’s suddenly loads of money to spend. Both Ed’s have warned us about this. FFP is still there even if we’ve changed ownership.
06 Sep 2024 19:36:17
£600m owed to people, it’s just unbelievable, the miss management is so extraordinary.
24 Aug 2024 18:42:17
We are only two games in. He did a good job last season and the season before, despite everything. He deserves more time to turn things around and I think he will. We need to not panic.
24 Aug 2024 10:46:13
I think he will be on the bench, I just cannot see SD starting him over Holgate. If I was SD I’d avoid Holgate at all costs. If he has a shocker, which he no doubt will, SD will be vilified. If Dixon starts and has a shocker, which may happen, SD will receive a lot more support and sympathy from the supporters.
23 Aug 2024 20:16:02
Could still be some clubs overseas making bids for both DCL and JB. I think they will both go, shame but we need the money.
{Ed025's Note - if they do go Swinners then it has to be early next week mate to give us a chance to bring a couple of new faces in, if it happens in the last 2 days of the window we will be up that creek without a paddle..
29 Aug 2024 22:52:32
I don’t understand why we haven’t been linked with a left back, we’ve only got one and he’s always injured….
28 Aug 2024 18:52:08
Surely Barkley is right up there. Had everything, should have 100 caps by now.
28 Aug 2024 18:39:46
Are we paying clubs £15m to take him?
{Ed025's Note - if we are its great work by us Swinners..
27 Aug 2024 22:01:19
The quality in the final third tonight was atrocious. Yes we need a striker to score the goals but he needs decent service too.
{Ed025's Note - it was a bit better tonight Swinners, but it was aganist a league 2 side mate, the midfield needs more quality of course but the movement from Beto was non-existent, he is slow and cumbersome and is more of a nuisance than a help..
27 Aug 2024 19:18:40
I think it’s the correct call to give Tarks a rest, he’s been carrying and injury. Keane only option therefore as Holgate even worse.